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Author Topic: Pulling heads off for the first time -- help?  (Read 7659 times)

rob650

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Pulling heads off for the first time -- help?
« on: March 29, 2007, 10:45:04 PM »
Howdy Guys,

I could use some advice from folks who have done what I'm about to do.

Soon I'll be removing the heads to replace some leaky pushrod seals.  I've never pulled the heads off any motorcycle before and could use some suggestions on two things....
1.  What are some minor "While I have these removed..." jobs related to maintenance that I could do and prep for?.
2.  What are some things I should look for that could be trouble?

The bike runs well and has no problems (other than pissing oil on my pant leg).  It only gets used about 4 months yearly, but i put 5-7K miles on the bike during those 4 months.

Thanks for your help.

Rob

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Re: Pulling heads off for the first time -- help?
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2007, 10:56:50 PM »
Probably the most important thing I can think of is to start a couple weeks early soaking the exhaust nuts with Kroil, PB Blaster, or other high quality penetrant.  If you are contemplating pulling the heads I assume you have a proper exhaust nut wrench, if not this soaking period will allow you ample time to procure one.

After soaking the nuts, performing various voodoo rites, sacraficing several small animals, etc, (make sure you call PETA before sacrificing the animals, they love that stuff) try to break loose an exhaust nut.  Quite often they will break loose, turn freely for 45 degrees or so, then start to feel tight again.  If this happens - STOP.  Do not pass go, do not collect anything except something to carefully cut off the $15 exhaust nut.  Failure to do so will turn your attempted $15 savings into a $100 plus job to get the exhaust spigot threads replaced.

I'll let somebody else take over because it's past my bedtime...
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rob650

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Re: Pulling heads off for the first time -- help?
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2007, 11:03:33 PM »
Thanks Justin.  Does PETA offer a choice of critters, or do you just get whatever they got in the cage that day?

Ill put in an order for the exhaust wrench and PB Blaster.

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Re: Pulling heads off for the first time -- help?
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2007, 11:43:30 PM »
I'm sleepy too, but here is some more.

As you disassemble things, keep all of the individual valve train pieces segregated from each other.  Apparently it is the smart thing to do, to put them back together with the pieces they started with.

Do you know what parts you will need?  Per side:

2 small o-rings for the top cylinder studs
1 large o-ring for the cylinder base (skirt)
2 R65 specific pushrod tube rubbers
1 head gasket
1 valve cover gasket, if needed.

If you haven't renewed your carb-to-head rubbers that you can remember, replace them - they are cheap.  And make a note of it in your log book.  My "log book" until last year has always been the parts order invoice with a date and mileage on it.  I am changing my ways.

Have you been checking your valve clearances on a regular basis, and keeping a log of adjustments needed?  At 50k you should be all right, but you never know.  Always check the valve clearance BEFORE adjusting them, so you know how much it has changed since your last adjustment (check your log book...).  If the gap (esp the exhaust) is getting smaller regularly, you will be looking at a valve job soon.  Ignored valve recession leads to very expensive repairs later.  Not to mention towing charges, and disappointment in general.

Clean all mating surfaces thoroughly.  You can probably get by with out using any gasket sealer anywhere.  It is especially hazardous around the top studs, where oil is pumped to the top end for lubrication.

Do you have a torque wrench?  Do you have a owners manual?  The values and tightening pattern are in that book.  It is available from any dealer - special order.  01 41 9 798 291        1979-84 R65        $22.95  (from Capital Cycle).



Well, that is a start.  Don't buy your exhaust nut wrench on eBay.  That is the expensive route.
Ed Korn has about the best price, and is a great guy to deal with.
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For exhaust systems with the finned aluminum nut holding the pipe onto the head. It is about 2 x 4.75” (50 x 120mm), compact enough to be carried on the bike. Used with a 1/2” ratchet, a torque wrench, or in a pinch, the horror, the horror, a hammer. Renewing the anti-seize on the nut threads occasionally is a good idea..$34 (1 lb)


As Ed says, don't forget the anti-seize on reassembly!
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Re: Pulling heads off for the first time -- help?
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2007, 06:27:01 AM »
Use something cute and furry, that really gets the PETA folks wound pretty tight!  ;)
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Re: Pulling heads off for the first time -- help?
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2007, 02:58:19 PM »
Take pictures.  



I have a fear iI'l be removing my heads soon, to fix the dreaded valve seat recession, and would like to know what im getting into. :-/

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Re: Pulling heads off for the first time -- help?
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2007, 09:09:22 PM »
You haven't mentioned that yet Mike.  Have you been monitoring your valve clearances, and they have been diminishing in between checks?  

Any kind of picture record of this job would probably be useful for all BMW Boxer owners, so I'll second that.  In fact, my seals have recently (4 years, 30,000 miles ago) begun leaking too.  Um, OK, maybe I'm not too worried about it yet.  But it's on the list!

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Re: Pulling heads off for the first time -- help?
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2007, 02:43:40 PM »
ed, im in the early stages of my suspicions, i set them back in January at Bruces tech Day, and they havent closed up yet.  We will see how long they last.

Did you get my PM?

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Re: Pulling heads off for the first time -- help?
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2007, 12:07:02 PM »
I am watching my exhaust valves as well. If you guys remember a while back I talked to Bruno, of BMW guru status for cylinder head work here in Canada..he services all of North America though and seems pretty well known........anyway HE told me that the exhaust valves should close up NO MORE than .001" in 3000 miles.  So from .008" to .007".

So, there we have a standard to compare to when we monitor clearance changes over distance travelled.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Pulling heads off for the first time -- help?
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2007, 01:11:13 AM »
Thanks everybody.  I've ordered some parts from Chicago Bmw, and a top end guide from Oak, so I should be good to go.  Already started soaking the exhaust threads.

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Re: Pulling heads off for the first time -- help?
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2007, 05:45:47 PM »
Don't get too anxious waiting for that order from Chicago... ::)

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Re: Pulling heads off for the first time -- help?
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2007, 08:10:40 PM »
Yeah, my last order was placed on 3/1 and still waiting.  Seems every order gets a little slower...
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Re: Pulling heads off for the first time -- help?
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2007, 12:02:19 PM »
Speaking of Chicago BMW I recently tried this Hammersley BMW at the suggestion of another poster. They have the parts fiche, low pricing and i got my stuff in less than 2 weeks (a lot less) http://www.webparts.com/cycles/
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Re: Pulling heads off for the first time -- help?
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2007, 01:07:17 PM »
Hi Rob650,

Something I learned from Nathan and Dean of Boxerworks this last go around on the head re-build about the leaky push rod seals - The metal rings on the push rod tubes that press the pushrod seals into the crank case, over time, slide up on the push rod tube.  As a result the seals will start to leak and will continue to leak after new seals are put in place.  

This can be fixed two ways  Either tap each ring back down a bit and tap weld the ring to the tube or tap them in and put two hose clamps up against the ring after tapping  to hold the ring against the push rod seal.  This is the source of pushrod tube seal leaks.  Dean welded mine.  Nathan has two hose clamps on each of his four pushrod tubes on his beater R90 (?R75?) which have aparently been there for twenty years!!!  (Adds to the patina of a really cool bike!!)  

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Re: Pulling heads off for the first time -- help?
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2007, 02:59:42 PM »
That's interesting as I thought I had read somewhere that the later bikes already had these silver-soldered on, or something.  
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