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Offline nhmaf

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Re: Another carb synch thread
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2011, 11:45:00 PM »
The 'free play'  in the cables is basically how much you can pick up on the cable sheath at the carb end without causing the inner cable to pull on the throttle lever on the carb.   As the inner part of the cable can "stretch", and folks have different cable setups on the R65 (79-80 bikes had (2) individual throttle cables all the way to the handlebar, while the 81-84 bikes had a single cable at the handlebar, going to a "splitter", with short separate cables for each carb coming out of the splitter.   As these are all different and have different tolerances/wear, it is simplest to make all adjustments at the carb reference for cable slack.  So, your cable adjust screw position may or may not be the same as mine, depending on cable type/setup, but the slack should be similar for good operation.

BMW constantly tweaked the size of the idle and main jets and needles over the years (not to mention the possibility of someone prior to you in the bike's history tweaking things further).   So, the air/mixture screw positions may also be different between (2) different R65s, though they shouldn't be super different.  Hence why we usually say start out at 1/2 to 2/3 of a turn from all the way in to begin with, and tweak from there - some jet/needle/airfilter setups may need to be closer to 1 whole turn, while another might be 1/2 a turn, and both be correct for the setup of each respective R65.


A rotameter is just the technical term for what the CarbTune and similar devices is - it is a vacuum gauge that uses steel slides inside of tubes instead of a fluid like mercury or ATF fluid/oil in the tubes like in a manometer.   I like the CarbTune/rotameter because it cannot leak/spill and works in 2 scales/modes depending on whether it is held up one way or inverted.
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Re: Another carb synch thread
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2011, 04:23:11 AM »
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What is a rotameter,

A Rotameter originally was a variable area flowmeter commonly used in the chemical industry. Basically a tapered tube with a float in it.  As the float rises the circumferential area available for the flow of the fluid being measured increases until the weight of the float is balanced by the flow. For balancing carbs I presume they are not used as a vacuum device but are attached to the carb inlets to measure air flow ?

Rotameter was the trade name of a British company that manufactured these devices. At least it was when I was an Instrument apprentice in the early 70's
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Re: Another carb synch thread
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2011, 04:23:41 AM »
It was Barry's earlier posts led me to investigate the effect of very small movement on the idle screws. Would never have thought of it myself!

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Re: Another carb synch thread
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2011, 05:11:42 AM »
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Just for some clarification,

When using a manometer to balance the carbs, you make the adjust 1st by eye on the idle with the cable adjust first, then if one side of the manometer is higher than the other, then ADJUST the cable adjust to balance, then FINALLY fine turn using the Idle adjust?

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Nope. Throttle cables should be well slackened. Any tension on the cables -and therefore the throttle lever- will effect readings on the manometer. Throttle stop screws should be off the carb throttle levers. No touch. The final cable adjustments are done to set carb balance at 3500-4000 rpm. This is done by turning the cable adjuster screws up or down to get an even reading on the manometer. This provides smooth cruising ops and the slight 0.125" or so final slack in the cables, measured at the carb's cable adjuster screws.

The carb sequence begins with the idle mixture screws, manometer and patience with tiny adjustments to the idle jet screws.

Engine absolutely must be a normal operating temperature. You'll need a large fan set up and blowing onto the engine front while you work.

This remains the best manometer-based, carb synch procedure I've seen. Follow the sequence exactly for optimum results.

http://www.airheads.org/content/view/183/98/

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Re: Another carb synch thread
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2011, 10:09:29 AM »
Well covered by Monte. I'll just throw in this little aid in setting the carb balance at 3500-4000 rpm.
http://www.powerchutes.com/manometer.asp
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Re: Another carb synch thread
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2011, 10:20:43 AM »
The same "powerchutes" link is included in the Hugh Kenny / Airheads article. I love my low-ball manometer! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

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