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Author Topic: double front disc brakes  (Read 3884 times)

slickster

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double front disc brakes
« on: July 27, 2011, 01:28:09 PM »
how do I get started installing double disc brakes on the front of my 84 r65?

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Re: double front disc brakes
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2011, 03:31:06 PM »
You'll need a 15 mm diameter master cylinder, probably three brake lines, depending on what is currently installed in the bike,  a  line splitter, couple of brackets for the right brake line a caliper and a rotor .

Not too many right side calipers for sale, that may be the part that causes you a bit of a problem to get .
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Re: double front disc brakes
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2011, 05:01:01 PM »
Along with the right side calipers, the mounting hardware must include some of the proper 'tophat' shaped spacers so the calipers are properly centered on the rotor..
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Re: double front disc brakes
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2011, 10:31:50 AM »
Should anyone wish to bid on these ATE calipers, remember the recent posts regarding the NLA pistons. Any pits or damage could offset a bargain price after finding a machine shop to make up some S/S replacements... and paying for them.

Doesn't the '84 R65 have Brembo calipers? The older ATEs may match up with the later model fork legs.

As noted earlier, locating a useable right side disc and associated hardware will be the real challenge.

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Re: double front disc brakes
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2011, 04:00:14 PM »
I don't think the ATE and Brembo calipers interchange. And the ATEs were only used up through 81 I believe.

As for the master cylinder, your smaller bore single disc master will work just fine with duals. Actually, it will work much much better.

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Re: double front disc brakes
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2011, 08:23:07 AM »
Oh, sorry. I didn't notice that your R65 was a '84 model. If it is then it does use a different caliper exclusively made by Brembo. If my sources are right, those calipers are the same ones used by the R80GS/ST and Earlier model R100 GS.
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Re: double front disc brakes
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2011, 09:43:14 AM »
The R80ST and R65 calipers have different part numbers in the fiche. It doesn't look like they interchange with anything else.

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Re: double front disc brakes
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2011, 10:26:03 AM »
Consider trying to improve the single stopper you have - it will be cheaper and you will still have the advantage of less unsprung weight.

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Re: double front disc brakes
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2011, 12:01:14 AM »
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I don't think the ATE and Brembo calipers interchange.
I have a set of ATE calipers in the attic, so tried them on the LS. What do you know? They mount right up!

So I guess the sliders are all the same and the ATEs and Brembos do interchange.

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Re: double front disc brakes
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2011, 03:28:17 AM »
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Consider trying to improve the single stopper you have - it will be cheaper and you will still have the advantage of less unsprung weight.  
I am the mad Limey who converted his from dual to single.........

Not mad in my book.

A purely technical argument and these are very marginal effects maybe a few percent but from a performance point of view the wheel  is the worst possible place to add weight on a bike because of a triple negative effect.

You add to the overall weight of the bike - it will accelerate and brake slower. (by brake slower I mean you lose a little of what you gained by adding the 2nd disk)

You add to the unsprung weight - this cannot improve ride and road holding.

You add to the rotational inertia -  the wheel is harder to speed up and slow down so you accelerate and brake slower. (this is an additive effect to the overall weight increase but again by brake slower I mean you lose a little of what you gained by adding the 2nd disk)


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Re: double front disc brakes
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2011, 06:40:14 AM »
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Consider trying to improve the single stopper you have - it will be cheaper and you will still have the advantage of less unsprung weight.

I am the mad Limey who converted his from dual to single.........
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Re: double front disc brakes
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2011, 11:08:22 AM »
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Along with the right side calipers, the mounting hardware must include some of the proper 'tophat' shaped spacers so the calipers are properly centered on the rotor..

"tophat" shaped spacers?  Are those thing things that the mounting screws go through?

Also, I've been thinking of doing this for a while, I go up and down some. Pretty steep mountains at times.  Are you guys saying I am wasting my time going to a dual front brake?  :(

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Re: double front disc brakes
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2011, 02:09:23 AM »
No, we are not saying it is a waste of time.  However, we are saying you could improve the single brake first and it might be enough for your needs.

If you are careful it will not be money wasted as you will still require that side of the brake any way, even if you eventually go for a dual disk set-up.

Just give it some thought.

Dual brakes will give you better braking - but there are other things it will give you as well - more unsprung weight and an emptier pockets.

I have to add, I went from dual to single and yes I lost outright power but gained 'feel'.
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Re: double front disc brakes
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2011, 11:58:24 AM »
I double disc'd my Brembo equipped 1983 R65.  The ultimate stopping power didn't increase too much - front wheel is easily lockable with twin or single discs - but I find I am able to brake more closely to lockup consistently with twin discs.  I haven't noticed adverse unsprung weight issues with additional disc and caliper.