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Author Topic: Excessive Shift Lever Play?  (Read 5542 times)

Ben_Carufel

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Excessive Shift Lever Play?
« on: November 23, 2010, 07:49:16 PM »
I was poking around my bike this morning and noticed that the shift lever has what I'd consider to be excessive side-to-side play (not the lever on the transmission, but rather the pedal).

Is there any way to tighten it, or is there a bearing inside which should be replaced?

Thanks,

Ben

Offline Rob Valdez 79 R65

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Re: Excessive Shift Lever Play?
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2010, 08:02:17 PM »
Depending on the year of your bike, there could be a plain bearing, a needle bearing, or no bearing at all.

Take it apart!

Ben_Carufel

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Re: Excessive Shift Lever Play?
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2010, 08:24:58 PM »
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Depending on the year of your bike, there could be a plain bearing, a needle bearing, or no bearing at all.

Take it apart!


Awesome! :P

Mine's a 79. According to RealOEM, I've got the following:

NEEDLE SLEEVE      12X18X16

Part number is 23131238422.

Current retail (11/13/2010) is $10.59.

However, some folks have reported bikes not necessarily having a needle bearing. I guess you're right, Rob -- time to disassemble.

Yay!

Ben_Carufel

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Re: Excessive Shift Lever Play?
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2010, 08:29:42 PM »
By the way, this thread has some good advice:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=325059

Lastly, Rob, do you know if the rubber "pad" for the shift lever is NLA, or am I just not looking in the right place on the ETK?


Ben_Carufel

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Re: Excessive Shift Lever Play?
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2010, 08:32:28 PM »
Also, one of our members posted this video earlier this year. It's a good one for those without bearings in their shift lever setup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O13qBU9THQ

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Re: Excessive Shift Lever Play?
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2010, 08:55:58 PM »
This is the closest I could find to what is installed on our bikes, even though it's from a monoshock bike .

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=0452&mospid=51628&btnr=23_0277&hg=23&fg=05
'81 R65
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'87 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario
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Ben_Carufel

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Re: Excessive Shift Lever Play?
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2010, 09:04:34 PM »
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This is the closest I could find to what is installed on our bikes, even though it's from a monoshock bike .

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=0452&mospid=51628&btnr=23_0277&hg=23&fg=05

Hey Bob,

Oh the joys of the BMW parts catalog. In the R65 diagrams it shows a cylindrical rubber "bushing" with the same part number (23311232097) as in the diagram you posted. The actual part pictured on our bikes is of course a much closer match to the look of the one you posted, but BMW tends to disregard the actual look and instead goes by just the part number.

So, the diagram for the R65 shows the wrong part, but lists the right part number...


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Re: Excessive Shift Lever Play?
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2010, 09:07:09 PM »
I found a bronze sleeve bushing that I had a local machine shop press into the shift lever after they removed the worn out OEM bushing. Got rid of most of the slop for a $5.00 labor cost. [smiley=thumbup.gif]

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Ben_Carufel

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Re: Excessive Shift Lever Play?
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2010, 09:11:20 PM »
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I found a bronze sleeve bushing that I had a local machine shop press into the shift lever after they removed the worn out OEM bushing. Got rid of most of the slop for a $5.00 labor cost. [smiley=thumbup.gif]

Monte

Did you find the bushing locally, or was it a McMaster type of thing?

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Re: Excessive Shift Lever Play?
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2010, 10:26:56 PM »
Hucky's has that rubber pad for you - $4

http://www.bmwhucky.com/010023.html

Almost all the way at the bottom.

My '79 has no bushing or bearing.  But it does have a zerk grease nipple and the shaft has a groove machined in it right inside this grease fitting.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2010, 10:29:08 PM by Rob_Valdez_79_R65 »

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Re: Excessive Shift Lever Play?
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2010, 11:25:42 PM »
My late '84 has a needle sleeve.  It does not have a zerk/grease nipple.

In a rare fit of tinkering for tinkering's sake earlier this year I took apart the whole gear linkage to see if I could reduce what seemed to be excessive movement of the type Ben describes.

I installed a new needle sleeve, cleaned/greased everything else, and installed some faucet packing between each shift lever and the spherical bearings on the linkage to help keep dirt out/things lubricated.

I measured the defection at the toe of the shift lever before and after.  8mm before.  6mm after.  By comparison, the same measurement on my ’94 R100RT, which has the same set up, is less than 2mm.

I think most of the movement on my R65 comes from the end play of the shift lever on its mounting bolt/screw.  I did not replace the mounting bolt/screw as it did not seem to be worn, but this would be an obvious thing to try.  Before I do that, I’ll insert a thin shortening shim/washer under the mounting bolt/screw head as I think this could well make the world of difference.  Has anyone else taken this route?



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Re: Excessive Shift Lever Play?
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2010, 05:45:48 AM »
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I found a bronze sleeve bushing that I had a local machine shop press into the shift lever after they removed the worn out OEM bushing. Got rid of most of the slop for a $5.00 labor cost. [smiley=thumbup.gif]

Monte

Did you find the bushing locally, or was it a McMaster type of thing?

Check local hardware stores and the big box retailers. I recall it was a bronze-oilite (sp?) bush/bearing.

Monte
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1978 BMW R100S
1981 BMW R65
1983 BMW R65
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Re: Excessive Shift Lever Play?
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2010, 09:25:46 AM »
That's a great video on shift lever repair, clear and well shot. As a matter of regular maintenance, should I disassemble my shift lever and grease the bushing or whatever bearing is in there?
Wavy
1986 R65 monolever

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Re: Excessive Shift Lever Play?
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2010, 03:43:57 PM »
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As a matter of regular maintenance, should I disassemble my shift lever and grease the bushing or whatever bearing is in there?
Yes.

Once a year.

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Re: Excessive Shift Lever Play?
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2010, 05:20:07 PM »
While you're at it, take the brake pedal off clean and lube it, it's something I bet no one ever does .
'81 R65
'82 R65 LS
'84 R65 LS
'87 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario
'02 R1150R
Riding all year long since 1993 .
I'll give up my R65, when they pry my cold dead hands from the handlebars !!!!!