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Author Topic: Transmission Woes...  (Read 7003 times)

azcycle

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Re: Transmission Woes...
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2010, 01:01:48 PM »
Thanks for the clarification, Bob. Have any of you dealt with Motorworks.uk?  They've got a number of used gearboxes for what seems like reasonable prices, and fully reconditioned boxes with warranties for not much more.

Not sure exactly what I need:

- Used - Gearbox 5 speed post 81      OR
- Gearbox paralever without kickstart
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Re: Transmission Woes...
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2010, 04:06:04 PM »
You need a gearbox from an '81-95 airhead, R65,R80, or R100 bikes no other gearboxes will work .
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Re: Transmission Woes...
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2010, 04:09:28 PM »
I was quoted $950 for a fresh rebuilt box from Psycle Recycle in Ohio.
I SURE wouldn't want to ship one from overseas.  Expensive!!!

I bought a very dirty transmission from the breaker in Texas for $400.  He said he had just pulled it out of a buddy's bike that wanted a kick-start, so (he said) it had no issues.  For that price, and because he has his reputation to consider, I took him at his word and jumped on it.
After scrubbing on it for a few hours, it's "patina" still makes my engine look nearly new!
No, I haven't finished the install, yet, so I don't know if it works, or not.

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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2010, 05:04:08 PM »
I was asking around through the local sub-forum of the ADVRiders website and a fellow came highly recommended by a number of those guys as a local not-well-known but highly-regarded bmw expert. His shop wasn't too far from my office so I ran down there on my lunch hour today.

Pulled up to his shop, recognizing it by the 12-15 or so BMWs sitting outside, including an old r75 and a Bumble-Bee r80(?). I immediately remembered the place as my FIL sent me there a couple years ago to pick up some parts for him.

He was nice enough to stop working on an old 'Guzzi up on the lift, sit and chat with me.  Turns out he knew my FIL very well and actually has worked on my r65 a few times: Rebuilt the front forks, installed a timing chain, etc. Apparently he also installed a high-end charging system in it, but my FIL didn't think it was working correctly and had him remove it, which ended up causing a bit of a falling out between the two.  Too bad, that would have been nice to have!  He also remembers telling my FIL that the knobby tires wouldn't fit well on the r65 and advised against adding the PVC pipe spacers in the forks... if any of you read my fork thread you'll remember I mentioned taking those out when I redid the seals, etc.   He was surprised and saddened to learn of my FIL's passing.

Anyway, he did say it sounded like a spline issue but said it could also have been the clutch going out.  He quoted me about $750 including the $250 spline driveshaft and said if I brought the gearbox in, I could sit and watch him rip it apart and see what it needed... make a list and go from there.  He told me all about how to bump the swingarm back, block the crank, etc... so he really sounded like he knew what he was donig.  

No doubt I"ll need a new clutch plate. So yeah... looking at about $1100.   :'(  I am happy to find a guy that is familiar with  bike and willing to work on it for me.  But it looks like the r65 will be down for a long while.
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Re: Transmission Woes...
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2010, 05:09:47 PM »
Too bad about the bike down-time.
I'm glad you found someone local to work on it, though!

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« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2010, 05:48:57 PM »
Good to hear you have a local shop to work on the transmission .

I was going to tell you about a local shop here in Mesa, that specializes in rebuilding gearboxes .
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« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2010, 08:15:40 PM »
It all depends on how many parts in the gearbox needs replacing - often times a gearbox is taken apart for much worse things than the replacement of the input shaft, and the bearings, springs, and other parts inside can get pricey if many other bits needs replacing.  The whole works must be shimmed up carefully to work properly afterwards, so there is definitely some 'science' and experience needed (along with a kit of varying thickness BMW transmission shims).  I'd expect a bill somewhere in the $600-900 range, depending on where you get the work done and if anything else is wrong.   There are some places that are better than others for repairing gearboxes.

You may just need to replace the clutch disk, but will have to take the other bits apart and measure some things to determine if they are OK to reuse or not.    The clutch carrier assembly is assembled at the factory in a somewhat balanced state - you will see some paint marks on some of the parts.   If you reuse the pressure plate and carrier disk, I'd put them back with the same orientation as they were originally (usually paint daubs @ 120 separation) if possible.   If you need all new parts, don't sweat it - the degree of imbalance if any is usually very slight and not likely to cause excess vibration.

Check the wiki section under clutch repair - if there aren't any pictures in the article, let us know - there should be a bunch of them to show you step by step.
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Re: Transmission Woes...
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2010, 08:17:41 PM »
Oh, and congratulations on your wedding!!

If your wife is OK with you riding and spending money on motorcycles, she's probably a 'keeper'!!!
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« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2010, 09:00:52 PM »
That is the nice thing about being "old", we (the "older" owners) can replace the entire clutch assembly confident it will probably be the last time in our lives that bike will need it.

I can't make the same "guarantee" for a young one like yourself, but it will probably last at least 20 years.  In which case, you may want to buy a spare while they are still available!

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Re: Transmission Woes...
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2010, 06:23:42 PM »
Thanks all for the marital congratulations.  I may be able to get the r65 up and running sooner than later but we'll see.  I'm looking to see what kind of custom tools I need to order for the main seal, flywheel holder, crankshaft blocker bolt, swingarm socket, etc.

I went to the Wiki and there are no photos there. I'll certainly use my Clymer manual but if the photos could be loaded in the wiki for my (and others) that'd be great.

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« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2010, 08:20:42 PM »
WTF !

We'll have to ask Justin M what happened to the Wiki pictures after they've apparently switched the wiki database/engine/thingy.    Doesn't make the wiki very useful without pictures....
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« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2010, 04:21:37 PM »
Well made minor progress today in the form of buying specialty tools and gaskets from Jeff Trapp, etc so I can get to removing the transmission.

Chomping at the bit here... such great riding weather!! :'(

I've got to get on the ball and win the lottery....
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« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2010, 04:25:49 PM »
You can't ask for much better riding weather, overnight low around 60 F, daytime high around 90 F, 9% humidity and a 10 mph breeze .
'81 R65
'82 R65 LS
'84 R65 LS
'87 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario
'02 R1150R
Riding all year long since 1993 .
I'll give up my R65, when they pry my cold dead hands from the handlebars !!!!!

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Re: Transmission Woes...
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2010, 10:13:14 PM »
Ya rubbing it in, Bob? :o

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« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2010, 09:31:08 AM »
Not for you, but for the riders that are putting their bikes away for the season . [smiley=happy.gif] [smiley=happy.gif]

The best of the riding season has just gotten here in the low deserts .
'81 R65
'82 R65 LS
'84 R65 LS
'87 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario
'02 R1150R
Riding all year long since 1993 .
I'll give up my R65, when they pry my cold dead hands from the handlebars !!!!!