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Author Topic: Major gearbox failure  (Read 3117 times)

Hunsta

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Re: Major gearbox failure
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2009, 02:24:19 AM »
Well she`s going down to my BMW guru on wednesday for a look see. He`s a German guy who only works on BMW bikes. Has a rebiult bottom up 90s to die for.
 So ill know whats what by the end of the week.
 Stay tuned guys.
Cheers
Craig
ps anyone want to run a book on what it is? Winner gets "told you so" rights. ;D

colb

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Re: Major gearbox failure
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2009, 05:16:12 PM »
My guess is the main bearing has broken up, had this happen on my R45,
accelerating out of some bends and had a loud clunk and lost all drive, gear lever just flopped about.
Got the box out but didn't have a suitable puller to pull the drive flange off so got a rebuilt box from Sherlocks in the UK.
The special tool to pull the drive flange off is a hefty piece of kit and I am told when it releases from the taper it's likely to release with a bang and fly across the workshop so  take care if you strip it yourself.

Offline Semper Gumby

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Re: Major gearbox failure
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2009, 07:10:31 PM »
Input spline or perhaps the spline inside the friction plate - the "Female" part.  Especially if there is no chucks coming ou tof the oil at the tranny drain.

Hey time to run a Pole Justin!!!!   ;)
Bill Gould ?1980/03 R65 When at first you don't succeed....Moo!

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Re: Major gearbox failure
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2009, 06:47:36 AM »
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My guess is the main bearing has broken up, had this happen on my R45,

Welcome Colb. Good to hear there are other R45's out there but suprised that one could stress a gearbox to failure.  I was counting on mine lasting for ever with only 35HP to handle.
« Last Edit: December 01, 2009, 06:49:21 AM by bhodgson »
Barry Cheshire, England 79 R45

Hunsta

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Re: Major gearbox failure
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2009, 03:59:48 AM »
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ps anyone want to run a book on what it is? Winner gets "told you so" rights. ;D
And the winner is..............................
drumroll please............................................
Yes those of you that said torn clutch centre wins. well actuall what has happened is the shaft that goes into the cltch centre stripped but as it was stripping it caught the clutch centre and ripped it out as well. MMMM yummy. Doesnt that just scream money. So a new clutch and associated bits going in and all and sundry thats needed. Plus new rear engine seal. About AU$1200-AU$1500.
There goes my christmas bonus. ::)

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Re: Major gearbox failure
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2009, 07:35:24 AM »
Looks like 'Lucky Lou' gets the honors here !!!!

Serve him up a pint of Australia's finest !!!
« Last Edit: December 17, 2009, 07:36:23 AM by Bob_Roller »
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Riding all year long since 1993 .
I'll give up my R65, when they pry my cold dead hands from the handlebars !!!!!

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Re: Major gearbox failure
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2009, 04:39:11 PM »
They don't call him Lucky for nuttin'.   Monte
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Offline Rob Valdez 79 R65

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Re: Major gearbox failure
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2009, 05:18:48 PM »
You say your bike is a 1984?  Twin-shock, right?

I have a complete used clutch assembly with under 38,000 miles on it, that you can have for the price of shipping.
Or, you can just have the clutch plate.  I think that is the part with the splines.

It is the input shaft for the transmission that is the real killer, though.

I'm sorry for your troubles.

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Re: Major gearbox failure
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2009, 06:56:14 PM »
I think I was in on that prize as well....   8-)

Sorry for your failure though.... What year bike?
Bill Gould ?1980/03 R65 When at first you don't succeed....Moo!

Hunsta

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Re: Major gearbox failure
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2009, 04:35:16 PM »
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You say your bike is a 1984?  Twin-shock, right?

I have a complete used clutch assembly with under 38,000 miles on it, that you can have for the price of shipping.
Or, you can just have the clutch plate.  I think that is the part with the splines.

It is the input shaft for the transmission that is the real killer, though.

I'm sorry for your troubles.
Thanks for the offer mate, but new bits are already on there way.
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I think I was in on that prize as well....   8-)

Sorry for your failure though.... What year bike?
Its a 1984.

Breezerider

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Re: Major gearbox failure
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2010, 03:19:27 PM »
It should be noted that gearbox rebuilds can be made a lot easier by dispensing with the need for and expense of a depth gauge and truing plate.  The shaft shimming can be set empirically with good accuracy via trial and error.  In using a truing plate and depth gauge, I got variations of .02-.04 mm depending on where I rested the gauge and how hard I pressed on it to hold it steady on the small bearing race surface available.  Getting the gauge foot to set true on the inner race was a nosebleed.  

After reading every forum entry and tech article available on the topic on the web, it became evident that the _minimum_ shim clearance was not crucial as long as the shafts spun freely with zero preload, but just zero preload, no slop beyond that.  Being that my margin for error using the depth gauge was almost that amount, it was possible to exceed recommended clearances given variations in gasket crush, running temperature, shim size steps, etc.  The gearbox case is always going to expand at a greater rate than the steel shafts, so slop will always be introduced.  If my measurements were towards the loose margin on assembly,  the shafts could end up with more than .05mm at operating temperatures.

So I installed the shafts, one at a time, using thinner and thinner shim combos, until the shafts spun with a light amount of drag and then went .02mm thinner on the shims.  The layshaft was turnable with a screwdriver via the output shaft hole minus its seal.  This procedure involved removing the case cover many times (blow dryer for heating the cases) and care was taken to iinsure that it was tightened down equally each time using the clutch settings on a battery drill.  As the shaft became movable with thinner shims, it was easy to gauge the lessening amount of drag when rotating the shafts, each in its turn, and when they turned totally free, it was empirically/tactilely evident.

The gearbox has several thousand miles on it and is quieter and smoother than ever before.