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Author Topic: What model?  (Read 2849 times)

darrylri

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Re: What model?
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2009, 03:36:27 PM »
Nice!  Yes, those tanks -- that looks like a Heinrich -- do fetch a lot of money.  

Also, I was saying that you had an R50 based on that first photo and the 6-finned valve cover, plain collar exhaust nuts and round profile cylinder fins.  (That last detail eliminates the R60/2.)  But the motor you show above looks like an R69S motor, with the 2-finned valve cover and finned exhaust nuts.  The engine number or a measurement of the bore will tell all.  

If the parts of the bike came from the factory together, then the frame and engine numbers would match.  I'm betting they don't however, based on what I'm seeing in your photos.  The motor is a mid 60s model, with the early style front cover and a later style timing chest with a separate oil pump cover (that could be replaced with a tach drive cover) -- right where it's resting on that die.  The two final drives are early, no later than 1961, as they have no vents at the top.  (Can't tell about what's on the bikes in the two photos.)  And the frame, unless it has been messed with, is also early, no later than 1961 or 2, as it doesn't have the reinforcing gussets where the vertical tube meets the bottom tube.  

The trans is indeed correct for your /2.  You will want to find a final drive that has a ratio that matches your motor.  

Offline Rob Valdez 79 R65

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Re: What model?
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2009, 07:04:29 PM »
Congratulations, again, on your new hobby! :D

It looks like the wife was happy to invite her Dad's old bike into the house? :)

azcycle

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Re: What model?
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2009, 10:23:16 PM »
:D  Actually, that bike/frame/engine/etc is still out at her dad's property. We don't have the space to store everything.  Being the bachelor he was, John enjoyed having his BMW in the house. :)

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Re: What model?
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2009, 10:42:53 PM »
I don't see the sidecar lugs in your new pictures.

They would be in these locations, with a fourth on a special front engine mount rod.


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This is just a good right-hand side shot I found.  I don't know anything about the saddlebags.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2009, 10:43:14 PM by Rob_Valdez_79_R65 »

azcycle

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Re: What model?
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2010, 08:10:27 PM »
Slight update: I found the original registration tags! Last registered by my father-in-law in New York in 1988. No Arizona title or tags anywhere that I can find.

I've got two very beat up and hardly legible wallet registration tags:

- One stating a 1956 BMW Vehicle ID: 663298
- One stating a 1961 BMW Vehicle ID: 655478

There IS a faint number on the right side of the frame near the downtube, but I failed to take a picture of it. I will this weekend. I also found what seems to be the original /2 gas tank with the pads on the sides. It's in pristine condition.

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Re: What model?
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2010, 09:33:00 PM »
Wow - there are folks who would LOVE to get their mits on that fuel tank - treat it with care - it is worth a big pile of moola !
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azcycle

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Re: What model?
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2010, 09:10:39 AM »
Well I found out a bit more information on this bike. I ended up emailing Andreas Harz at "BMW Group Classic" in Germany and sent him the two ID numbers from the frame and the engine.  This was his response:

The BMW R 60 VIN 619220 (frame) was manufactured on January 23rd, 1958 and delivered on April 23rd, 1958 to the BMW importer Butler & Smith in New York City. The engine No. 663298 belongs to a BMW r 69 S which was built on May 8th, 1967 and delivered on May 19th, 1967 to Butler & Smith too. Both bikes were equipped with a bench seat.

I also found the original /2 tank in GREAT condition:


And I researched that huge tank. It's not a Heinrich but rather made by Churchgate in England.  It's not quite as valuable but still worth a bit.

I've spoken with my fiance and I think she has decided to sell everything. We certainly can't afford to restore this old BMW back to it's former glory and we don't have the room to store it.  We'd much rather see it go to someone who can rebuild her and get her back on the road (or in a showroom).  I'll have to contact the NY DMV and see if we can get titles/etc for the frame and engine. Though it hasn't been titled since the late 1980s.  

So if any of you know someone who might be interested in the /2 frame, r69s engine, transmission, rear drives, and all the parts I can find, etc let me know. I'll probably sell the Churchgate tank separately... maybe even the original /2 tank, too. Not sure yet.