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Author Topic: 1980 R65 gremlins  (Read 2248 times)

Jap_rider_Jim

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1980 R65 gremlins
« on: March 23, 2007, 12:05:54 AM »
Hi Folks, I'm new to the board. I'm going to help my brother in law look at A 1980 R65. I ride all Jap bikes so I could use advise on what to look out for on these old airheads. Thanks in advance. Jim

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Re: 1980 R65 gremlins
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2007, 06:58:26 AM »
Jim,

Welcome to our world.  The old "Airhead" bikes are pretty solid but have a couple of weak spots and a few things that require periodic maintenance to keep running smoothly.

Weak Spots:

Transmissions - Seems like the average life expectancy is between 50k and 75k miles.  Some folks have run well over 100k with no problems and others much less.  Drain the gear oil from the tranny and inspect the magnetic drain plug.  A ball of very fine fuzz is OK if you can't feel any particles.  If you feel grit, or see shiny specks it's probably time to find your wallet.

Valves - Before about 1985 BMW had not quite figured out how to make exhaust valve/valve seats play nicely with unleaded.  Inspect the edges of the exhaust valves and if it looks like you could shave with them it's probably valve job time.  If they look to have meat then adjust, and check after 1000 miles, if the exhaust clearances have gotten smaller then it is likely the valve seat receding.  Once this gets to the point where you have to readjust after less than 1k miles it;s probably time for a valve job.  R65 engines have some history pertaining to exhaust valve head seperation, that would be a bad thing.

Maintenance:

Brake System - Needs to be flushed once every one or two years.  If not then you will likely wind up with a mess.

Transmission input splines - Need to be greased every few years, depending on your climate, or they will wear out.

Normal fluid/lube changes - You now have a driveshaft carrier tube and final drive to remember to service.

Rear wheel splines - Every year or two (normally with a tire change unless that only happens every 5 years!) clean and regrease the splines that mate the rear wheel with the final drive.

Swingarm bearings- Grease the swingarm bearings at least yearly.  They are tapered roller bearings and can notch into their races.

Steering head - This needs to be greased periodically - again depemnds on your climate, how it's stored, etc.  It's not uncommon (it's usual, really) for an older bike to need this even if low miles.  The grease will harden and the steering will feel notchy and it won't handle well.  Get fresh grease in there or risk wearing out the bearing races.  These are also tapered roller bearings.


Other maintenance items will be related to their jap cousins - oil changes, tire balance, etc.

Have fun!
Justin B.

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1981 R100RT - Summer bike, NEKKID!!!

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Re: 1980 R65 gremlins
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2007, 01:07:37 PM »
EXCELLENT summary, Justin!
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Is this posted somewhere in the general tech post-its? It's perfect!

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Re: 1980 R65 gremlins
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2007, 06:06:05 PM »
I don't think we have a "tech archive", or anything like that.  Joan, you could probably post Jim a pic of what happenes when I valve lets go.   :o If it's not too painful...  :'(

I'll look into maybe making a section to post stuff like this to..
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Re: 1980 R65 gremlins
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2007, 10:04:06 PM »
Good stuff.  I grease the swing arm bearings every several hundred miles, per Duane Ausherman.  I don't know if it's the same for all R65s, but mine doesn't even have seals, and I ride in the rain all the time.  I don't want them to rust.

I WISH the steering head bearings were as easy to grease, as I would probably do the same for them, but at least my Windjammer keeps most of the gunk off them.

Ed Miller
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Jap_rider_Jim

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Re: 1980 R65 gremlins
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2007, 12:13:32 AM »
Wow, thanks for the well thought out post. I will definately go there armed with alot more knowledge than I had before finding this board.  I wish I could do a leak down test before we buy it. The bike has 50,000 on it so I'm sure a major overhaul will be in the future anyway. I'll try and take some pics too, so I can show you our find.

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Re: 1980 R65 gremlins
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2007, 03:25:39 PM »
Well here's an update on the bike.  We drove 3 hrs up to NewHampshire to see the bike and it was much worse than I had expected. The fork seals were shot,the front brakes weren't working the left cylinder was skipping like the valve was shot, oil was leaking out of both heads, the seat was bad, the side covers were missing,and the bike wouldn't stay running if you took it off the jumper battery they used to start it. Oh, it also wouldn't idle.
 The bike was for sale for 1500 but I told him to forget about it. I figured the bike would cost a lot to get running correctly and even after that you had a bike that was clearly neglected for a long time.  I figure a bike like that will really need a total and complete restoration to get it to a point where it is a reliable trustworthy bike.
 On A brighter note I think my brother in-law is thinking about looking for a higher priced well cared for R65 or maybe An R80. I think that's a better plan of action at this point.
 I'll keep you posted, thanks for your help and insight. Jim V.

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Re: 1980 R65 gremlins
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2007, 06:27:22 PM »
Sorry it didn't work out, you are correct that $1500 is a bit steep for something like that...  R80s are supposed to be real smooth runners but you will then be back into the full sized frame which takes away some of the nimbleness the R65 is admired for.  Then again, you could offer the dude about $500 for that one!  ;)
Justin B.

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Re: 1980 R65 gremlins
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2007, 09:43:13 PM »
$300 was what came to my mind...

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Re: 1980 R65 gremlins
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2007, 10:45:56 PM »
I went to $500 because it at least ran...  Sometimes I'm a bit too optimistic...
Justin B.

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