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Author Topic: Ha! Carb just blew off. Backfiring.  (Read 987 times)

clouseau

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Ha! Carb just blew off. Backfiring.
« on: April 30, 2009, 02:36:28 PM »
My bike will sometimes backfire when it is warming up.
I'm the guy with the choke issue that I have yet to address (still waiting on parts).
So it backfires today as I was escaping a parking garage in downtown L.A. that I snaked into, and the left carb popped off at the intake.  I put it back on easily enough, and. luckily, the parking attendant didn't run after me.  It was funny, though.
So what of this intermittent backfiring?  I suspect it a tuning issue.  The Pulse Air Injection system has been removed.  I'm about a week away from rebuilding the carbs again anyhow to try and track down the choke/sometimes funky idle issue.
Just thought I'd share.

Andy-Gadget

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Re: Ha! Carb just blew off. Backfiring.
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2009, 04:35:59 PM »
Might be an ignition issue yet, based on this experience  :-?

In the '80's a mate had an outfit on an early boxer RT, a twin row timing chain model, he had fitted a Dyna ignition to it.

Coming out of the Cane Toad Rally in North Queensland, two deep creek crossings, the bike started to run on one cylinder, and every now and then it would blow the LH carby off, sound familiar  ;D

Luckily the mate was a telecommunication technician at the time, as after a lot of grief the fault was traced to a corroded printed circuit board track on the electronic PC board that replaces the points backing plate.

On the Dyna ignition, there are two electronic switches, one opens the "points" and fires the ignition, the other closes the "points" again, the two switches are on the same circuit, so it goes "Open", "Close", every full turn of the crank.
Relative to the cam, it goes "Open", "Close", "Open", "Close", for every cam turn.

BMW use the "wasted spark" system, and fires both plugs together, every time the pistons reach TDC, one is on top of compression and fires, the other is at top of exhaust and theoreticaly does nothing.

With the track broken, it wasn't getting the signal from the second switch, and so didn't reset until the first (firing) switch is triggered again.

So for two crank turns it was going, first turn "Open", second turn "Close".
With one cylinder not firing at all, it was filling one exhaust with a nice mixture, and every now and then it would ignite, either from the hot exhaust from the other cylinder, of from the "Wasted" spark, and due to the valve overlap, would close the exhaust valve, with the inlet valve open, nowhere for the pressure created to go put up the inlet track, and when you pressurize the engine side of a CV carby, the slide is forced closed, and off pops the carby.

Does this help or confuse  :-?

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Re: Ha! Carb just blew off. Backfiring.
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2009, 07:25:43 PM »
Often (but not always) a backfire through the carb issue is a symptom of running too lean.  If it is causing fire to come out the tailpipe then it is an incomplete burn/too rich mixture.  Though, ignition timing problems like way too much advance or intermittent coil/cable could also cause the backfire-through the carb problem too.

I think the bike is saying that it really wants a better mixture.  You know that there are still issues with the carb/choke, so I'd work on that further before expanding the search out to the ignition system myself.   It may be a combination of ignition and carb issues that cause the intermittent backfire, but I'd try to get the carbs to as close to a "known good state" as I good first.

I cannot recall if you indicated whether the exhaust system was stock or not - if it is, your air mixture screws on the front underside of the carbs should be  about 2/3 - 3/4 of a turn out from being screwed in (closed) as a starting point.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2009, 07:28:09 PM by nhmaf »
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clouseau

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Re: Ha! Carb just blew off. Backfiring.
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2009, 07:31:33 PM »
I will see what transpires after the rebuild...
They mufflers/silencers are aftermarket.
For now I'm not even going to consider ignition issues as everything was fine until I started messing with the carbs.
Thanks guys!

ambrose78

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Re: Ha! Carb just blew off. Backfiring.
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2009, 08:00:26 PM »
Good luck with it.

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Re: Ha! Carb just blew off. Backfiring.
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2009, 11:09:41 PM »
Side bar to ignition timing is valve clearences.  You might have an intake valve too tight (open too long).

My poor advise would be to do a complete tuneup with a compression check and see what you find.  

Good luck,
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Re: Ha! Carb just blew off. Backfiring.
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2009, 01:18:51 AM »
Same thing happened to me at work on my '81 R100 right in front of a couple of rice boyz a few years ago.  They got a good snicker but were equally impressed when I pull out the BMW tool-roll, have the carb back on, and restarted within 5 minutes.  As I recall it was also my L/H carb...
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