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Offline montmil

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DIY paint
« on: January 08, 2009, 08:05:06 AM »
I've just begun to explore this site. So far, it's been fantastic. I'm going to order the download asap. Check it out as it's a great "confidence builder".   Monte

http://www.easypaintyourcar.com/

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Offline Ed Miller

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Re: DIY paint
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2009, 12:44:47 PM »
Hmm.  HE doesn't think much of the rolled/brushed on Rustoleum method.  I already have a video on painting techniques though I'm always curious.

If I could get over my prejudice against clear coat I could save a lot of time wet sanding and rubbing....


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Re: DIY paint
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2009, 07:10:56 AM »
Yes, he seems to have a lot to say about the old rustoleum thing.  I wonder if he has ever tried it for real - or just does not like the idea of it?

It has to be said, when I was investigating this method - it all started with someone painting a car with a roller/brush using this particular brand of paint.  Then there were loads of people thinning way beyond the recommended 10% and spraying it - and not all of them getting very good results.  Well, if your going to thin/spray it, then use proper spray paint - the whole point of the original article was the use of roller/brush - not using it as cheap spray paint.  The thinner the paint the more coats will be required?

The biggest issue I had with painting my bike at home was fumes and overspray.  A big 'no no' inside or outside.  The great thing about a this method and a bike is that you can take the bits off and do it a bit at a time, or all together - in a restricted environment.

The temperature outside the garage was close to freezing the week I was painting, so I was not going to be doing it outside.  And I have to consider my and my neighbours cars.  Overspraying them would have lead to a whole heap of trouble.  Spray painting outside - How many days in a year could you do that?

Yes, I agree, there is definately plenty of finishing to be done with brush painting, and I definately would not consider doing a car with a brush.  

I painted directly from the can - no thinning.

I found that I was able wet and dry after 16 hours on all underlying coats and only had an issue when I had a run to contend with on the final coat. Fortunately I had precious few of those.  

Between coats I just re-keyed and dealt with the worst of the high spots. I then recoated with the brush strokes going at 90 degrees to the previous coat - an that is important - as you are filling in the 'trenches' left on your last coat.  The final coat is effectively a sacrificial coat, as that is the coat you will mostly be rubbing away.

It's not perfect and not as good as a good professional job, as I discovered when I bought the bike out in the sunlight this weekend and found that the paint job did not quite stand up to the 6 inch rule - at least not everywhere - fortunately you have to look closely.  Sunlight can be cruel.  I'll sort it out later when I am bored.

But hey!  It is much better than it was!  And it is certainly better than an indifferent professional spray job and being a few hundred bucks down.  And it can only get better...

It worked for me with my limited space and funds and lower expectations.  It is and alway will be, after all, an £800 bike.

Life is full of choices, perhaps mine would have been different, in different circumstances.

Good luck with yours..
« Last Edit: January 12, 2009, 07:34:57 AM by steve_hawkins »
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Re: DIY paint
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2009, 07:36:12 AM »
And since I cannot help myself: ;)
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Re: DIY paint
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2009, 11:15:34 AM »
that looks frek'n sweet... Love the black wheels.. I am working on a similar build for my mono.. thanks for sharing.

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Re: DIY paint
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2009, 12:39:05 PM »
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Yes, he seems to have a lot to say about the old rustoleum thing.  I wonder if he has ever tried it for real - or just does not like the idea of it?


Or maybe he has a video to sell?  

By the way, when I pointed out that author's opinion I did not intend any criticism of your paint job or the technique in general.  (I think I'm the one who brought it up in the other thread.)
I like the way your bike looks.

Would the knee pads on your yellow bike fit an R65 tank?  If so what's the part number?  {edit}  I just noticed you have some on the R65; what are they?


« Last Edit: January 12, 2009, 12:41:48 PM by Ed_Miller »
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Re: DIY paint
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2009, 03:28:24 AM »
Well Steve - for what it's worth - I STILL think you did a damned good job on that bike....though I'm not convinced about the black wheels.....
« Last Edit: January 13, 2009, 03:31:54 AM by aussie »

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Re: DIY paint
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2009, 03:35:11 AM »
Ed,

I was just pointing what works for some won't work for others.  No need for apologies.  You have got to know what you are letting yourself in for though.  And I felt he was replacing one set of issues with another, as well as over playing them!  

Plus I am aware that a lot of people are not having great success with the rustoleum paint as they are using the paint in a way that it was not formulated for.

The kneepads on the R100 were fitted by the previous owner using some strong glue - they are not standard for this model but I think they were for earlier models like /6 or /7.  No idea of the part number though.

The pieces of leatherette glued onto the R65 tank are just there to hide where the bike fell over after the side stand collapsed some months ago.  I have not repaired the dents yet.  

Frankly, I do not like either of them and the ones on the R65 will be removed shortly and the tank cleaned up.  I now have the where with all to do the repair myself, but I have a couple more jobs to do on the R100 before I shift my focus back onto the R65 again - which is my favourite.  I need to put and ebc disk on the front of the R65 and replace the rear hub - which is worn out.

Cheers

Steve H
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Re: DIY paint
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2009, 08:43:38 AM »
Haven't personally heard of the rustoleum range, but some of the guys in the car club here in Darwin are using the POR15 range. It's also a "self levelling" paint. Paint on by brush . Seems very similar. 2pack enamel in the hands of a professional is definitely a better finish, but I'm never going to show my cars/bikes at concourse levels.

John

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Re: DIY paint
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2009, 06:32:02 PM »
Darwin -  Sue and I have both used the POR "chassis black" paint to redo the chassis of our R65LS bikes - it works well - the key thing is to let it alone to do its self level thing and not try to go back when it is tack to try to touch up brush strokes - the touch up attempts will end up spoiling it.   I also use their POR15 "Black velvet" hi temp paint to paint my original headers/mufflers (flat black was their original color).   It works pretty well also.

The paint is NOT CHEAP, though !  Fortunately, on a bike, a pint or two can do quite alot.
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