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Offline Ed Miller

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Re: I hate my R65's previous owner
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2014, 03:31:58 PM »
I learned how to program on some old NCR mainframe.  Nothing even remotely interesting happened anywhere around it, that I saw.  
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Offline Tony Smith

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Re: I hate my R65's previous owner
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2014, 04:40:39 PM »
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I learned how to program on some old NCR mainframe.  Nothing even remotely interesting happened anywhere around it, that I saw.  

Out of curiosity, what model if you recall?

also what language, i.e. were you back when NCR was going it alone with their own programming language,  or after they had done the sensible thing and implimented Cobol and Fortran?
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Offline Tony Smith

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Re: I hate my R65's previous owner
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2014, 04:44:10 PM »
Ed, sorry I forgot to add - I am a NEAT3 survivor. About 10 years ago after failing to interest a museum in them I tossed the books which for some reason or other had survived since the mid 70s.
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Offline Ed Miller

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Re: I hate my R65's previous owner
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2014, 12:52:50 PM »
NEAT3.  I don't remember the model of the computer.  It used punch cards for input.  I am a pretty fast typist, so it sounded cool when I was typing out the punch cards.

Later I learned Cobol and Fortran, but that was in college and we were using Apple II computers, I think.  Pre-GUI anyway.

Then I took a chemistry class and lost all interest in computer science, though with all the calculus I had already taken, I ended up with a minor in math.


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Re: I hate my R65's previous owner
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2014, 05:44:47 PM »
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NEAT3.  I don't remember the model of the computer.  It used punch cards for input.  


I *think* all the early NCR mainframes and minis (at least by 1973/4) ran :- Neat/3, Cobol, Fortran and Basic.


I spent a lot of time fixing punch card reader/writers. I hated the things with a passion, that only diminished the first time one of NCR's "legendary' flying head disc packs crashed and I got the job of cleaning it up and fitting a new head so that the customer's IT staff could try and recover data (Back-ups, we don't need no steenking back-ups).
 
Whilst at NCR I interspersed my computer work with fixing cash registers and accounting machines. I loved the beautiful mechanical complexity of the type 33 accounting machines. I was so determined to fix one once (the root cause of the problem was the heavy grease Dayton used to cost the bottom level "storage" racks with thinking that this would be a good idea for machines going to tropic Australia. This machine came from the former Gold Mining town of Charters Towers and decades of dust had turned the aforementioned grease into concrete.
 
Fixing it involved pulling the machine down more or less to component parts and cleaning it out (I used a steam cleaner)

Int he course of of putting it back together I had to order some parts that were not on the normal service fiche. This excited the interest of someone in Dayton who ended up telling me that:-
 
Field stripping a 33 to the extent I had was not an approved procedure, that tech orders required that the machine frame be returned to Dayton for re-working (but the re-working line had closed 10 years previous, and that the only reason he was going to allow the parts to be sent was that nobody else was ever going to use them and that once I admitted that I could not make it work correctly I would research and follow tech orders in future.

Well, I did put it back together and it did work correctly - passing the new machine 24 hour self test with flying colours.

Sadly the company that owned it had quietly gone bust and shut the doors in the interim.

My boss was not happy at the amount of time that had gone into the machine with no invoiceable outcome. He arranged fro a local museum to collect it, where it is to this day, probably the best condition mechanical adding machine - anywhere....
 
I left NCR shortly after and went to University to do my first round of Uni studies.

Very occasionally I run into old NCR comrades. The one sI felt quite sorry for were the old school techs who could fix mechanical cash registers and accounting machines in their sleep. Many of them failed to make the transition to electronic cash registers and computers and slowly fell by the wayside as the machines they knew simply faded away.

I feared that the same thing would happen with the new wave machines which is why I decided to leave. The ultimate outcome for NCR and indeed the whole accounting machine industry is proof that I made the right call.
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Offline Ed Miller

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Re: I hate my R65's previous owner
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2014, 03:14:16 PM »
I bet rebuilding carbs is not a problem for you!

Maybe I did Fortran and Cobol on the NCR.  I bet Pascal was on the Apple IIs.

Chemistry and biology still work much as they did when I studied them.  Particle physics and astrophysics are another story.



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Offline Tony Smith

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Re: I hate my R65's previous owner
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2014, 06:25:57 PM »
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I bet rebuilding carbs is not a problem for you!

Maybe I did Fortran and Cobol on the NCR.  I bet Pascal was on the Apple IIs.

Chemistry and biology still work much as they did when I studied them.  Particle physics and astrophysics are another story.


Yes, I do seem to get along pretty comfortably with most mechanical things.

My first exposure to Pascal was the "P" system environment available on Osborne 01 luggable computers, I recall helping a friend implement a Pascal system on a Apple IIe and not very long after that rigging a cable so that he could transfer all his Pascal source code to an IBM PC.

Pascal was the last language I invested any personal time in, by the time "C" was beginning to become the dominant programming language I was exiting the industry and moving on to other things, C+ and C++ hold little meaning to me and in all honesty I could not tell you what the difference is. I have been fiddling with Linux off and on since the mid 90s and every once in a while I form the intention to learn something about C++, but so far the intention has failed to translate to action.


I agree, as we get older we tend to seek more "permanence" in things, which perhaps explains where I fetched up, working in an area where change and innovation move at geologic speed.
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