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Author Topic: Thoughts on oil viscosity  (Read 1024 times)

Offline Barry

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Thoughts on oil viscosity
« on: June 05, 2009, 03:57:15 PM »
The recommended oil for all airheads is 20W-50  but here’s a thought.
All airheads  from R45 to R100 have much the same oil capacity and cooling surface area give or take one or two barrel fins. I’m talking standard naked bikes with no oil cooler or deep sump. It would be no surprise then if an R100 ran hotter than an R45 with other models in between.

It’s my experience that an R45 does run cool. I think maybe much too cool. I’ve measured the sump temperature several times with a calibrated digital thermometer and it’s typically 82 Deg C after a 40 mile run on country lanes max. speed 60 mph  - two up though and that works an R45 reasonably hard!  Shorter runs in the winter produce lower sump temperatures.  

Lets say for the sake of comparison that under similar modest circumstances an R100 is running 20W-50 oil at 88 Deg C and an R45 is running 10W-40 oil at 82 Deg C.  A graph reproduced from an oil companies data shows that they are both running oil of the same viscosity ie 40Cst. My point is the engines will not know that they are using oils of different basic specification.

I’m not saying that an R100 typically runs at 88Deg C.  I’m just trying to illustrate that it doesn’t take a much lower operating temperature for 10W-40 to be the same viscosity as 20W-50 .  The temperature difference may well be much greater or the R100 would be running too cool as well.

So have I made a case for an R45 to safely run 10W-40 with the benefits of easier cold weather starting, quicker oil circulation and  lower oil pressure from cold or am I missing something fundamental like much higher temperatures at bearing surfaces with implications for oil film strength ?  
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Re: Thoughts on oil viscosity
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2009, 06:18:26 PM »
Hmm, I have seen some significantly higher oil temperatures in the summer time here (which average about 25C - 30C).  Admittedly, this is with an uncalibrated temperature gauge - but temps over 100C as measured with dipstick thermometer weren't hard to obtain.
IF oil temps don't get up to the boiling point of water, then there is more likelihood of water vapor condensing in the pan - not so good.

I usually run 10W-40 in all my bikes all the time - I used to use 20W-50, but as about 1/3 or our riding season has temperatures averaging around 0 to 10C or so, the 20W-50 stuff definitely seemed to be overly molasses-like.   I don't think that it makes too much difference at the mid-to upper latitudes (~40-60 degrees) but I think at the lower, hotter latitudes there may be more to be gained from running the heavier 20W-50 stuff.
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Thoughts on oil viscosity
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2009, 01:48:43 PM »
Well if 10W-40 works in New England it should be just fine in Old England too.

Yes that’s my worry that the oil temperature is too low to boil of  any condensate so I will often remove the dip stick after a long ride to let the engine breath for a while and change the oil every 1500 miles.  I don’t actually see much evidence of water contamination just a very small trace of  “mayonnaise” in the rocker covers. Given that I  also use the bike for year round  4 mile commutes to work  that’s not too bad. So overall I’m not too concerned  about the lowish oil temperatures but I do think it more than justifies using the thinner oil.

It’s interesting that if I change back from 10W-40 to 20W-50 my post 4 mile commute tickover speed is noticeably slower.
Barry Cheshire, England 79 R45