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Author Topic: An Insurance Question  (Read 896 times)

Altritter

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An Insurance Question
« on: October 12, 2010, 09:41:33 PM »
[My question is time-sensitive, for I must make a move ASAP, and everything must be in place before next Tuesday.]

Anyone have experience with Markel, BMWMOA's endorsed motorcycle insurance company? (If a response contains sensitive information, it's OK to PM me.)

Here's my story (short version). In telling it, I recommend nothing, for Virginia courts award civil tort damages for tortious interference with a [third-party] contract. What anyone does after reading this is on their own, without any urging from me.

I insure our cages through USAA. When I bought my BMW Motorrad in October 2007, I called USAA and learned that USAA had recently stopped insuring motorcycles directly, and had begun referring its members to Progressive, which acted as underwriter. So, I went that route.

When I received my 2007-2008 Progressive policy, I noticed in the boilerplate a disclosure that "You were not given our best rating classification." I called Progressive's Customer Service & was referred to their underwriters. A representative implied that the cause was a statement by Equifax that I had no credit record of ever taking out an automobile loan. I patiently (more or less) explained that I had taken out a car loan while in the Army (late '60s), paid it off early, and had paid cash for cars ever since. (Spouse has had car loans individually, but that's not germane to the issue, so I omitted it.) So Progressive backed off its position, and reduced my rate by about 15 percent.

All was cool in the 2008 and 2009 renewals, so I wasn't terribly concerned when I received my renewal in September for my policy due to expire October 27. As I was about to write the check Saturday morning, I glanced at the policy, and was astounded to see again, "You were not given our best rating classification."

The reason: "You had no auto loans or leases reported opened within the last 10 years. . . . The average open date of all your reported loans and accounts was less than 20 years ago." (The first assertion is factually correct, but irrelevant; the second is absolutely false, and also irrelevant.)

I called Progressive Monday and had a very earnest conversation with a person who (I suspect) was reading from a script. She didn't care that I've paid cash for all my cars since 1970. She said that my enviable credit score (three weeks old, for we're in the process of refinancing our mortgage) was totally irrelevant. Her answers to my question, why Progressive had reversed its 2007 decision, was that (1) Progressive has a new computer model for rate decisions that factors in lack of auto loans and is infallible, and (2) the 2007 decision was age-weighted (?), and the 2010 decision is based solely on the absence of auto loans. (As to No. 2, my thought is that either the rep in 2007 or the rep in 2010 lied to me, because the 2007 rep certainly told me what I have written here.)

So, similar to Diogenes, walking around in the middle of the day with a lighted lantern, I am searching for (____)?  (Diogenes was looking for an honest man; anyone today may complete my thought as they desire.)

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Re: An Insurance Question
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2010, 10:08:38 PM »
Sorry - no direct experience with Markel.  I presently have all my auto, home, and some business insurance through state farm.   Perhaps if you changed to an insurance carrier who carries home&auto lines in your state you can get a decent discount rate - I know that we receive on average a 35% discount on each of our auto insurance policies.

Really, there is absolutely NOTHING to fear about having your banking, insurance, health insurance, work experience, real estate, DMV, medical treatment, church attendance, criminal and civil court records all tied together in co-linked databases, now, is there ?!?

Sorry, I don't mean to make light of your experience, but if we aren't careful...   I've found that it is always helpful to - even if for no other reason than to provide some new credit report "fodder", take out a loan - even if it is just a personal loan for a few thousand, if I haven't been doing any auto loans/real estate loans in a number of years.   The computers love to see you playing your part in the economic system of the masses, no matter how careful you are with your money.
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Re: An Insurance Question
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2010, 10:49:35 PM »
I have Progressive insurance on my '02 oilhead, though maybe not quite the same situation as yours, the last auto loan I had, was paid off in July, 1982, that fell off of my credit report a long time ago .

I had no problem getting what I see as a good premium rate with them .

This was about 6 years ago .

Just a thought, what if you inquired about insuring your cage with them ?
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Altritter

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Re: An Insurance Question
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2010, 01:19:55 AM »
Thanks for the input, gentlemen!

Correction for the record: the credit bureau was Experian, not Equifax. The distinction is not critical, for this is not a problem created by the credit bureau. The credit bureau's statements are generally factual (though it missed an individual credit card account that I've had since 1988). Progressive took an innocuous statement and gave it a Mad Hatter logical spin.

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Really, there is absolutely NOTHING to fear about having your banking, insurance, health insurance, work experience, real estate, DMV, medical treatment, church attendance, criminal and civil court records all tied together in co-linked databases, now, is there ?!?

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Just a thought, what if you inquired about insuring your cage with them ?


Yeah, I've given the database linkage issue some thought. Actually, I've had thoughts about how deeply our finances are connected with USAA. It insures our cages and our house, and we have a personal liability umbrella policy with them. (BTW, the umbrella liability policy is why I don't insure a car with Progressive, for the umbrella, homeowners', and auto policies are integrated.) Additionally, we have several other kinds of financial accounts w/USAA. Notably, we do not have a mortgage with them because of a bait-switch rate quote that one of their reps gave me in 2004 when we refinanced. (IMO, USAA has grown too large, and it shows. I've seen a change in its service level since I joined in 1970.)

Gotta quit and get some Zs, for the alarm goes off at an obscene hour for me to catch my 8:15 train.

Cheers,
JT

BTW, I gotta search for a message string on flat spots in acceleration. Rode my bike Saturday & noted pronounced flatness in acceleration from ~3500 to ~4800 rpm. Tried blowing out crud by high rpm in lower gears for a while, with limited success. Might have to disassemble & clean, then readjust & sync. (Hope no parts are needed, for I don't have a Bing rebuild kit on hand.)