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Author Topic: Unleaded fuel?  (Read 2012 times)

Offline beemer

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Unleaded fuel?
« on: May 02, 2008, 04:12:15 AM »
Is it ok to run the R65LS on unleaded fuel?i was told it was,but just checking,thanks.J

drewboid

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Re: Unleaded fuel?
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2008, 07:39:17 AM »
Various models of BMWs have suffered from "valve recession" - the closing of the valve clearance when using unleaded fuels. there are kits or services available that will replace the valve seats IF you have this problem - not everybody does. That being said run it on unleaded - if your valves receed then have unleaded seats installed. If the problem shows up it will be gradual and you will notice that the valves need to be reset each time you check them. So far I haven't had to replace my valve seats (knock wood!!).  I'm not sure where you would get leaded fuel these days anyway.
Unless you are replacing the valve seats anyway I would not be concerned. Personally I will replace the seats if and when the problem shows up and not before. YMMV

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Re: Unleaded fuel?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2008, 08:20:47 AM »
Actually, the "valve recession" is indeed the deformation of the valves due to excess heating (the OEM valves seats didn't transfer heat out of the valve well enough).
The fix/solution is to indeed replace the seats, and if deformation has occurred, to replace the valves and usually valve guides as well.   Many of us just ride our bikes
and watch for signs of this to occur before we decide to pull the heads and get the job done - you may get lucky and ride for many, many  seasons before this ever gets to
be an issue on your bike.

AT one point it was thought that leaded fuel would mitigate the problem, but I don't believe that is the case.  Still, if it makes you feel better you can usually find
lead additive at many "gearhead" automotive shops where there are guys hanging out with older street rods, etc.   I used to put in a dose of the stuff every other
tank of fuel or so, but haven't been doing so anymore.   One key thing that will indeed help fend off valve deformation is to try to run your engine's combustion chamber
as "cool" as possible - this means do NOT run the engine too lean.  Of course, running too rich poses issues too, just don't go crazy in either direction (lean or rich fuel mixture)
and you'll be maximizing the life you get out of your existing valves&seats.   Check your valve clearance every 3000 - 5000 miles, and record the measurement you observe
each time.  IF you observe any significant change (closing up) of the clearances from one check to the next then start checking more frequently, and let us know - we can tell
you things to look for as posted in earlier threads.
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Re: Unleaded fuel?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2008, 10:10:41 AM »
Thanks so much for the info,all understood,and i will run it on unleaded as i'm doing now and keep an eye/ear on it,thanks,J.

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Re: Unleaded fuel?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2008, 07:41:37 PM »
Beemer, your question makes it sound like you have a choice where you are at.  If I had a choice I would use the good ol' leaded stuff, if for no other reason than to piss off the treehuggers!  [smiley=evil.gif]  In all seriousness if I had a choice I would use leaded as long as I was able to on any older Beemer that had not had a recent valve job with new exhaust seats and valves.  I grew up with lead paint, leaded gas, and played with mercury and can count past 10 without taking off my shoes - maybe if I hadn't I'd ride a Harley or something...
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Re: Unleaded fuel?
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2008, 11:12:13 AM »
Iv'e not had the bike long,and was told unleaded was ok to use,i can get a additive i guess,but will just carry on with the unleaded fuel and hope all goes well for now anyway,thanks for all the great advise,I'm in the UK,J.

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Re: Unleaded fuel?
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2008, 08:31:21 PM »
Hiya from Langdale, Cumbria Beemer.

When I got the Bimbo I was told that it was the post 85 models that came with hardened seats and ran her on leaded fuel even after I got her hardened valve seats until the ecomentalists banned leaded petrol. (God knows why as making the catalysts to 'clean' unleaded exhaust fumes is a really poluting process and the things don't work on short journeys... shut up Tony thats a different topic for the rants section)

Anyway after the Bimbo finally wore out (well got ridden into the ground) I replaced her with a 65RT last year. The PO could not tell me if she had her valve seats done I dropped one of the Motorworks brocket things in the tank. Now there seems to be some debate on the issue of if the things actually work as advertised but a chemist I know assures me that the chemisty behind the brocket is sound. All I can say is they do in my experiance they work although I do give her a dose of redex lead treatment every so often, if you're a bit worried about the seats then the twenty odd quid a brocket cost may well be worth it for the peace of mind.

Anyway thats my thoughts.
Cheers  Tony... PS if this doesn't read right then blame Messer's Theakston's as the XB was slipping down lovely this evening....

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Re: Unleaded fuel?
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2008, 06:09:00 AM »
The lead has been aded in petrol to prevent, or lower self-combustion so that the engine can have greater compression rate and therefore more power with less fuel consumption. Unleaded fuel is the same old petrol but with different stuff, I would say poison, that is killing you as efficinet as lead only with different smell. My feelings about that are going alnog with Justin. There is pretty good F word what to do with unleaded fuel.

For the bmw, use as much lead as you can even if you have to pour aditive. The bmw R65 engine is of older concept before "healthy" fuels so it needs LED! Different temperature range, different time of combustion, and therefore it can't perform well on unleaded without adjusting about everything except tyre pressure and height of front light beam. Just joking, but you'l have to adjust valve clearence, ignition timing, spark plugs and carburetters to run bmw on unleaded fuel. And it will be lazy as mud. Just no juice. No power. Engine goes hot, consumption goes high, you go nervous.

Maybe it is lead that is talking through me, right now. Must check...

Chris_in_BC

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Re: Unleaded fuel?
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2008, 02:30:13 AM »
Quote
. Just joking, but you'l have to adjust valve clearence, ignition timing, spark plugs and carburetters to run bmw on unleaded fuel. ...

I disagree. When we switched in Canada to unleaded, nobody did anything. It took a couple of years to phase out leaded. You would put lead in one day if you found it, unleaded on the next tank if you didn't. Didn't change anything and unless you  are racing it, I would doubt most people could tell any difference

It isn't an issue. Valves didn't deform or recede over night. Most of us are now running 20 -30 year old bikes. So eventually you will need to put in the no-lead seats. Many riders  barely have enough miles on their bikes to cause a problem yet. I put in no-lead seats on our '81 at around 100K miles. Now at 174K  all is still running fine.

Chris