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Author Topic: Winter's coming! Heated gear?  (Read 1552 times)

TnMtns

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Winter's coming! Heated gear?
« on: September 17, 2015, 08:23:48 PM »
Here in East Tennessee I ride through the winter, but heated gear is a must.  I've searched but can find nothing on the forum about just how much electricity my '83 r65 has available for heated gear.  I'd like to be able to run heated grips, gloves and a jacket.  Are there available watts?  If not what options are available?  LED lights?  Alternator mods? I'm sure my r65 will not be happy just sitting in my garage all winter.
Thanks for any help!

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Re: Winter's coming! Heated gear?
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2015, 09:07:59 PM »
Winter, it's still 105 F, 41 C here in Phoenix !!!! ::)

At highway speeds, the R65 charging system puts out a maximum of 280 watts, after subtracting what the bike needs to keep the battery charged, and operate the systems, headlight, ignition, etc....., there isn't a whole lot left for accessories that draw a lot of power .

If you plan on using a lot more power, there are aftermarket charging systems that produce 450 watts .
« Last Edit: September 17, 2015, 09:12:42 PM by Bob_Roller »
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Re: Winter's coming! Heated gear?
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2015, 09:19:28 PM »
The alternator is only has 280W not much to work with
I run all winter also and I have a Aerostich heated bib and factory  heated grips and can run both ok.
I have a Koso volt meter to keep an eye on the voltage and it drops to about 13,6 from 14.2 with it all turned on.
I would think to run all the gear you want you will need to upgrade the alt.
I have not done that so I can not speak to which is the best.    
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Re: Winter's coming! Heated gear?
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2015, 09:28:51 PM »
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 I'd like to be able to run heated grips, gloves and a jacket.  Are there availab
Thanks for any help!


Firstly, I live in a country that has no requirements for heated riding gear. When I first bought it my R100 had heated grips but they were never used and were eventually replaced with something else.

That said, I do know a bit about the electrical capabilities of the BMW airhead.

You have 280 watts maximum output at around 3,000 rpm, at lower revs you do not get anything like 280 watts. Which is why simply riding your BMW to and from work in heavy traffic will result in a flat battery.

Saving power.
Conversion to LED lighting for headlight, running lights (parking lights to more recently emancipated former British colonies) tail light and brake light will save you a little of your precious watts, the precise amount depends on what you have currently fitted and what you replace them with.


Making more power
Fit an "authorities" (as in police or military) regulator - this will increase the voltage produced by the alternator slightly, at the risk of slowly boiling your battery to death when you do not have sufficient electrical load turned on to reduce the voltage to what it should be (supposed ideal 13.8 volts, "authorities" regulator 14.2 volts)

Fit replacement high efficiency diode board - frankly, for the costs involved  I don't think this is worthwhile unless you also fit a higher output alternator.

Fit higher output alternator and diode board - frankly I think that the net benefit over cost equation on this simply isn't there, but there is a thriving industry in making "better" alternators for airheads. Be Aware that many of the manufacturers of such devices quote their PEAK and not the CONTINUOUS output. The 500watt "high power" alternator frequently becomes a 240~250 watt (yes less than stock) alternator once the diodes heat up. There is quality gear out there, but it costs.

Fit a second bigger alternator. These are generally "home made" that is to say I have never seen anyone advertising a kit. The home brew specials I have seen very from being brilliantly executed to bloody awful - essentially you are trying to do this:-

The principle cause of crippling of the stock alternator is that it runs at crankshaft speed, so the first step is to remove the stock alternator and graft a pulley onto the end of the crank where it used to be - the best executed of these that I have seen sue a modified VW beetle engine pulley as these have a very clever way of adjusting tension by varying the distance between the plate halves of the pulley. Then you grab the alternator of your choice - a nice 100amp single wire Nippondenso type would seem a smart choices as it mounts internal regulation and only requires a connection (via a heavy duty relay) to the battery to do its thing.

Next you need a bracket to mount the alternator to the side of the engine block and lastly you need to machine the front engine cover(s) to allow the passage of the drive belt. This kind of conversion can work very well indeed, in fact I once considered doing it to my R100, but at the end of the day they are ugly and you get to be your own research and development engineer and 1,000 miles from home in pissing down rain is not the time to discover you miscalculated


Alternative suggestion.
Power your heated gloves and jacket with a LiPo battery pack and take the battery with you when you get to where you are going and recharge it from mains power.

Further alternative suggestion, fit ammeter to your bike and power your heated gear via a single or multiple power socket with switches and vary your electrical load according to what the alternator can put out (which means you get to curse me while you slowly freeze in stop/start traffic).


This year was an abnormal winter for us, it briefly got down to 11 degrees (Celcius) for a couple of nights usually winters seldom go much below 15 and then only for a couple of days. I love North Queensland Australia.


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Re: Winter's coming! Heated gear?
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2015, 09:47:18 PM »
Here's two aftermarket 450 watt charging system kits .

The first one is $575 the second, $475 .

http://www.motoelekt.com/charging.htm

http://www.euromotoelectrics.com/product-p/edl450-altkit.htm
« Last Edit: September 18, 2015, 02:14:30 PM by Bob_Roller »
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'82 R65 LS
'84 R65 LS
'87 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario
'02 R1150R
Riding all year long since 1993 .
I'll give up my R65, when they pry my cold dead hands from the handlebars !!!!!

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Re: Winter's coming! Heated gear?
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2015, 01:19:42 AM »
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Can't seem to get a link to the sites .

One site, is Motoelekt  for $575US and the second, is Euromoto Electrics for $500US, they both have 450 watt aftermarket charging systems .

Ah Yes! But get them to quote on and provide a warranty in regard to the max continuous power output. There is a reason the standard diode board has a heavy metal heatsink.
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Re: Winter's coming! Heated gear?
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2015, 02:17:42 AM »
I ride through the winter down to - 5 Deg C and use heated gear. I pre-heat my gloves on a hot radiator before setting off.

Gets me to work - just !
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Re: Winter's coming! Heated gear?
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2015, 10:17:03 AM »
Granted it doesn't get near as cold where I live but there are still days down into the upper 20* F. I added a set of R80GS grip guards to keep the wind off my hands and they are great. When it gets real cold I switch to my K75. That thing warms up fast and with my my feet on the passenger pegs the air coming through the radiator blows across my knees and up my thighs and keeps my chest warm.
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Re: Winter's coming! Heated gear?
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2015, 02:23:01 PM »
I think one of the issues with installing an aftermarket system, is if the wiring in the bike, isn't in great condition, loose connections, corrosion, battery condition, etc.. the output will be reduced .

This is what causes issues with the stock charging system .

There was a write-up on Snowbum's BMW motorcycle website, compared both of these systems, the Motorrad Electrik system, which is an updated version of the stock OEM system, had an output that was just over the rated output of the system .
The Euromoto Electrics system, didn't test out so good, lacking in output from the stated output, don't know if this was been corrected or not, the test was done a few years ago .


http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/AftrMrktAlt.htm



« Last Edit: September 18, 2015, 02:35:35 PM by Bob_Roller »
'81 R65
'82 R65 LS
'84 R65 LS
'87 Moto Guzzi V65 Lario
'02 R1150R
Riding all year long since 1993 .
I'll give up my R65, when they pry my cold dead hands from the handlebars !!!!!

TnMtns

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Re: Winter's coming! Heated gear?
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2015, 07:29:22 AM »
Thanks! Exactly what I was looking for.  I suggest that the information be put somewhere permanent on the forum.

My ride yesterday had temps from 52F to 85F.  Recently the lows in the mountains of East Tn and Western NC have been down in the 40s.  There are not many winter days where there isn't at least one route I can ride.  I usually worry more about all the salt on the mountain roads than I do ice.  I don't want to ride my r65 in salt so that will probably limit me more than the cold.

I don't usually do mods if there are issues associated with them, so no new alternator.  I'll probably follow Tony's advise, switch to LED bulbs and then turn my heated jacket and gloves on and off.  The faring keeps the wind off my hands so I can get by without heated grips.  I've ordered one of these, which should help:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DJ5KE9A?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

I also carry this jump start battery:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ZXQRSPG?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00

If you haven't seen them in actions, the new jump start batteries are amazing.  Light and small.  I'm probably going to get one of the smaller ones (deck of cards size) just for my motorcycles.