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Offline Roy

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'79 heads on an '83 R65
« on: June 10, 2015, 01:13:00 AM »
I am having the heads on my '83 R65 redone bit there is a long backlog at the machine shop (make sure you pull the exhaust collars and re anti-seize them every year don't ask why I say this).  I have found a set of heads from a '79 that will get me through this summer - will they work?  I had already pulled the emission plumbing from the bike so I think they will.
Any thoughts or concerns?
Thanks for the replies,
Roy
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1977 R75/7 in rehab
1978 R100S

Offline Barry

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Re: '79 heads on an '83 R65
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2015, 02:06:18 AM »
Can't see why they wouldn't work. Slightly smaller valves will reduce the top end a little but I doubt you'd notice in normal riding. 79 valve seats seem to cope well with unleaded. I've seen no evidence of valve recession whatsoever.
Barry Cheshire, England 79 R45

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Re: '79 heads on an '83 R65
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2015, 03:59:07 AM »
They will work.

Only difference is the smaller valves and the iron lining instead of the Nikasil plating.

My only concern is the drop in performance due to the smaller valves, but I guess they'd be negligible.
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Re: '79 heads on an '83 R65
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2015, 10:09:38 PM »
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(make sure you pull the exhaust collars and re anti-seize them every year don't ask why I say this).  I have found a set of heads from a '79 that will get me through this summer - will they work?  I
Roy


To which I would also add - remove the pipes every year or so also. When I decided to do some very overdue maintenance on the wife's bike I bought a pair of US model heads and had new valves fitted to them, the thinking was to use them while doing up the existing heads and thus leaving us with a spare set of serviceable R80/100 heads.

Sadly I could not remove the headers after cutting the nuts off. I tried everything and so did my trusted machine shop. eventually, with great sadness I issued instructions to preserve the Staintune headers as they would cost $AU600 to replace and destroy the heads to remove them.

As regards putting the 79 heads on a post 81 engine. Yes they will work, but the jetting is likely to be a long way out - there is a solid 5hp difference between the 79 and 81 edition, still if it is for a short period only, you are unlikely to care much. You do know that there are other repair methods available these days aside from repairing galled threads? Some are ugly, some are pretty good looking. Still it isn't a complicated job, most good machine shops will already have a right-angled work piece able to be bolted to a lathe faceplate. send the head out to have the damaged thread built up with weld, bolt head to faceplate, use mandrel in exhaust port to center and then turn the thread area to size and then cut threads. The hardest part of the job is centering the work, after that it is all simple machining.
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Re: '79 heads on an '83 R65
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2015, 11:16:17 PM »
Thanks for the responses!
I was not aware of the Hp / valve difference - but it will only be for a couple of months - I will let you know if the difference is a problem - I really don't want to rejet the carbs so I will live with what it is- hopefully.
I have seen but have no experience with some of the other repair methods and I was not planning on this but live near one of the Guru's of Airhead heads - Randy Long - so when I buggered up the exhaust thread on one of the heads I took it over to Randy. He took a look and said I can get this out for you in a week - simple fix.  Then as we were talking he took the everything apart and started measuring and mumbling and then said "wellll..."  I can get you back on the road but don't know how long it will last could be 10 years or 10 days the exhaust valves are worn out the seats are close and the seals look good.  ( I should of left right away but he is very interesting and willing to show me stuff so I listened)  Short story long - I took off the other head and took it in too -  not as bad - but I plan on keeping this bike a long time. So I said go ahead (the weather was still cold)  now the weather is beautiful and I have been through everything on the bike and my choice is grab these heads and ride it for awhile or tear into something else (front forks and wheel bearings) so with your advice I am going to go riding soon.
Thanks Guys
Roy
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1978 R100S

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Re: '79 heads on an '83 R65
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2015, 01:03:58 PM »
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As regards putting the 79 heads on a post 81 engine. Yes they will work, but the jetting is likely to be a long way out - there is a solid 5hp difference between the 79 and 81 edition, still if it is for a short period only, you are unlikely to care much.  


I did wonder about the jetting. The differences in jetting between the 45 HP models and the 50HP must be due to the completely different intake system from start to finish. They changed the air filter from the round type to the flat filter with tuned intake trumpets and the carbs changed from flat tops to the normal dome type and the intake valve changed from 38mm to 40mm. Roy's bike will only experience one of those 3 changes so it might not be so bad.
Barry Cheshire, England 79 R45

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Re: '79 heads on an '83 R65
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2015, 05:52:40 PM »
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Roy's bike will only experience one of those 3 changes so it might not be so bad.

I agree - if it were me I wouldn't bother changing a thing.
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Re: '79 heads on an '83 R65
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2015, 05:26:21 PM »
Well - the heads are on and the engine runs smooth . I have not put her on the road yet, I want to check and double check a few things.  I will take a test ride tomorrow and let you know.
Thanks for all the input I have not changed anything  - valves dialed right in and I will play with sync'ing the carbs when I get her out on the road tomorrow.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2015, 05:27:24 PM by DaddyRoy »
1983 R65
1977 R75/7 in rehab
1978 R100S