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Author Topic: New Alpha Ignition question  (Read 1055 times)

ira_ryan_cycles

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New Alpha Ignition question
« on: November 30, 2013, 12:15:46 AM »
I just installed the new Alpha electronic ignition to replace my points in a can on my 79 R65 after some head scratching and bracket making. I ordered the new brown coil with both spark plug leads on the single coil meaning I can get rid of the two I had. I assume I just tie up the wires from the old harness going to both coils since the new wires go directly to the new ignition control unit from the coil.

The instructions were straight forward once I thought about the system and all the parts.
I will set the timing tomorrow and hopefully everything will fire right up.

The one question I had was about syncing the carbs the way I have for years by taking the spark plug lead off the plug as it's running to isolate each carb for adjustment. Will doing this with the fancy electronic ignition torch the electrics?

Looking forward to some fresh parts and getting back on the road just in time for the rain.

Offline Tony Smith

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Re: New Alpha Ignition question
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2013, 01:16:41 AM »
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I assume I just tie up the wires from the old harness going to both coils since the new wires go directly to the new ignition control unit from the coil.



The one question I had was about syncing the carbs the way I have for years by taking the spark plug lead off the plug as it's running to isolate each carb for adjustment. Will doing this with the fancy electronic ignition torch the electrics?

Hopefully the instructions dealt with the fact that the old twin coils on your 79 are of the 6 volt persuasion. IIRC, its been a while, there is a 12v feed and the original coils are wired in series and grounded through the points. Therefore there should not be any "spare" wiring left after removing the old coils, other than perhaps the points trigger wire.


As regards your other question, I don't see that removing one plug lead for a short period of time would harm anything, but if you are worries why not plug it into an old plug and ground that to the frame?

My real question is that I don't think much of your method of synching the carbs. Given that a highly accurate vacuum gauge can be made with a couple of sticks of timber and $5 of transparent plastic tubing which allows both accurate and more importantly fast idle synch (which I guess is what you are setting up) why follow a methodology that is tedious and time consuming?

In fact, if you want to look professional, find another list member and buy a set of Chinese 4 cylinder vacuum gauges and cut them down the middle and have 2 each (but i still prefer the plastic tube Manometer option because it is the most accurate).
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ira_ryan_cycles

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Re: New Alpha Ignition question
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2013, 03:15:30 PM »
Thanks for the feedback.

Looking over the wiring diagram for the twin coil version with points, I see the points are wired in sequence and ground through the points.

The new single coil comes with one pair of spades. One positive and one negative. The system needs a power source right? Thinking about it now, it is not wired to power. Should I splice one set of wires from one of the old coils into the new wires going to the coil?

I don't like to assume anything but I was hoping to be able to just plug everything into the old wires, set the timing and go.
I do love to learn how to do shit myself though.

Bob_W

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Re: New Alpha Ignition question
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2013, 05:46:39 AM »
DANGER!

On the stock electronic ignition, there are rumors of blown Hall Effect sensors from removing wires from plugs while running. I was always afraid to try.
My method is the warm the engine cut it off remove one wire and attach it to a spare plug well grounded to the head, crank engine and set throttle about 1500 rpm. Now kill the engine and without touching the throttle swap to the other side. Set it to 1500 by adjusting cable.
Always making certain the plug wire is connected to a grounded plug.
The installation instructions should show wiring, but if not connect the positive wire from the two coil set to the positive side of the new coil. The wire between the two coils is obviously not used. If there is only one wire from the ignition module it goes to the other wire on the coil.

ira_ryan_cycles

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Re: New Alpha Ignition question
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2013, 03:44:19 PM »
It's alive!
I used the double spade terminals from the old coils, cleaned them up and wired it all up on the new single coil. I had to move and re-wrap the wiring harness but got it all tucked away nice and cleanly.

Electrics are my biggest road block on motorcycles and cars but with a careful approach and the right wiring diagram, it is back together and I am happy to say it is running smoother and stronger than ever.

Thanks for the help.