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Author Topic: 1979 R65: What to look for?  (Read 1711 times)

rkover1

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1979 R65: What to look for?
« on: February 21, 2013, 12:33:22 AM »
I am in a bit of a conundrum in that in a couple of weeks I should know whether I'm moving back to Hawai'i or in the market for an R65. If I believe in the latter, there is one available locally that has a purported 41,000 miles.

I'd like to go take a look, but not ever owning an airhead, particularly the R65, I'm not sure what I should be looking for.

Besides any obvious pools of oil, is there anything about the R65 in particular that I should be aware of? Any issues or shortcomings of this particular model? Or for airheads of this vintage in general?

I'm a short dude with short legs, so the early R65s would seem to be the only airheads that would actually fit me.

Thanks for any insights!

doc

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Re: 1979 R65: What to look for?
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2013, 03:56:39 AM »
There are several improvements in the post 81 models like nikasil cylinders and electronic ignition but the earlier models specification does list a lower seat height.  At 5'10" I can stand astride my 79 with a gap between me and the seat. My wife is 5' 4" and she can manage to put both feet down but not flat footed.

An R65 of any year that has been well cared for is a perfectly serviceable daily rider that will run all day long at highway speeds. Mechanically they are as good as any airhead. On all airheads the only mechanical weaknesses is the gearbox which might need overhaul at 60,000 miles plus and it is expensive.  It might be worth a look at the gear box oil to make sure it's clean and not contaminated with water which can get in via a faulty speedo drive cable seal. You will need an 8mm Allen wrench. to remove the oil level plug on the side of the gearbox just under the gear lever linkage. I'd say that's the No1 easy thing to inspect but if you want to look at something not so easy you might also ask the owner about rear wheel spline lubrication. If he looks puzzled and the bike is a high miler I would want to remove the rear wheel and inspect the splines which can wear.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2013, 04:01:05 AM by bhodgson »
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Re: 1979 R65: What to look for?
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2013, 04:16:39 AM »
What to look for ?
Well this bike has more than 30 years of existence... So if it has not been run often and cared for, grease would be as hard as rock (handlebar won't turn easily ) oils would require an immediate change (including the front fork ) and maybe an overhaul.
Everything depends on the owner's care and usage... If the bike sat in a barn for the last 20 years, you are going for a full restoration.
if the bike is used daily, maybe just gasoline and an oil change in a couple of weeks...

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Re: 1979 R65: What to look for?
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2013, 07:51:52 AM »
I would say that condition is king.  If it looks good then it probably is good.

As far as the gearboxes are concerned, not wanting to contradict Barry, there are plenty that go round the clock with no problems, especially with the R65, being less torquey than the larger airheads it shares the gearbox with.  And you also have the sprung drive shaft that also helps keep the R65 gearbox sweet and was not introduced to the larger airheads until a couple of years later.  

In fact I would say that if you were on the look out for a second hand gearbox for any airhead(of a simiar age) then getting one from an R45/65 would be your best bet.

But as Barry says water in the transmission is the killer.

On another note, although the post 81 R65 is lighter and slightly more powerful, I would take a clean 79 over a scruffy post 81 any day...Did I mention 'Condition is King' ?

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Re: 1979 R65: What to look for?
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2013, 08:41:08 AM »
Here's a list of things, in no particular order of what to look for in a pre-owned R65 .

Check the tires for date of manufacture, there's a 4 digit manufacture date molded into the sidewall, should something like this : 4512 .

Which would mean a date of 45th week of 2012 .

Original OEM rubber brake lines, long past their prime .

Worn out  brake rotor(s), minimum thickness, .180 inches .

Worn out brake pads, remove the dust cap on each caliper to check, there is a groove molded into the pad material, if it's gone, pads need replacement .

With the bike on the center stand, grab the front wheel and move it fore and aft, any movement, the steering head bearings are in need of tightening/replacement .

Pull the rubber dust seals on the front forks and look for fluid there, seal replacement may be necessary .

Does the odometer work, a real weak point on airhead bikes, look for scrape marks on the metal bezel for the speedometer, to see if it's been disturbed, if it has, chances are the mileage may not be accurate .

Check the front brake master cylinder for leakage where the piston goes into the cylinder, fluid here could be anything from a piston/seal replacement, to a master cylinder replacement .

Check operation of the handlebar controls, the head light and turn direction switches fail internally and cannot be repaired for the most part .

Is the throttle movement smooth, the throttle tube and mating gear are cast metal and wear, causing binding, if the tube and the mating 'cam' are worn, you need to replace the top cover as well, the parts design were changed  years ago .

Remove the fuel cap and check for rust in the fuel tank, there is an OEM red liner applied at the factory, so don't mistake it for rust .

The '79-'80 year bikes had dual coils, the forward coil mount is known to break and cause all kinds of electrical problems, the bikes main grounding point is on this bracket .

Check the condition of the rubber boot that covers the speedometer cable, where it enters the transmission on the right side, if it is deteriorated, you most likely have water in the transmission .

Check the neutral indication switch on the bottom of the transmission for leakage, another weak spot, check to see if the green neutral light comes on when in neutral .

OEM Boge shock absorbers, were not that great when new, most likely in need of replacement, they can't be rebuilt .

Gear oil dripping from the final drive onto the rear wheel, the brake camshaft seals are a weak point, may have contaminated the rear brake shoes .

Check the overflow plug at the back of the final drive, they get stripped out and I've seen various bolts/plugs put in there, rather than the plug that should be there .

At 41,000 miles, it would be recommended that the transmission be removed, clean/lube the transmission input splines, dry splines can wear and strip out, costly transmission repair .

Grab the rear wheel and see if there is any movement, if there is, wheel bearings may need attention .

Check all lights for operation, the OEM fuse box is a 'joke' and can cause lighting problems with loose fuses .

That's all I can think of right now, I've had my '81 R65 for 32 years, these are the problems that I've seen on my bike .
« Last Edit: February 21, 2013, 08:45:51 AM by Bob_Roller »
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Re: 1979 R65: What to look for?
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2013, 09:50:16 AM »
Great post, Bob.  It should be made a "sticky."  
« Last Edit: February 21, 2013, 09:50:33 AM by k_enn »
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Re: 1979 R65: What to look for?
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2013, 11:26:23 AM »
+1 on Bob's post.
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Re: 1979 R65: What to look for?
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2013, 01:23:52 PM »
+2
That's a great list. After recently finishing up my '83 R65 resto, I would say those items on the list are spot on.
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Re: 1979 R65: What to look for?
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2013, 08:05:41 PM »
WOW! Thanks guys! This is just what I'm looking for.

I'm  a short dude, with short legs, so I figure if I really want an airhead, it'll be an early R65.

The bike is listed on the local Craigslist, but the owner hasn't gotten back to me yet. You've given me some great questions and ideas.

Thanks again!

doc

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Re: 1979 R65: What to look for?
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2013, 03:42:29 PM »
Any history from the PO will help. My 79 had been stood outside for 10 years without turning a cog when i bought it,  i did a top to toe rebuild the front brakes (ATE) needed a complete strip and rebuild, i fitted new lines and the head stock bearing grease had solidified, wheel bearings can be a pain to remove and care needed during rebuild as they are shimmed.I stripped the cylinders and re ringed it as i wanted to be sure it was ok but the old ones were not that bad. If you are undecided and can get any pictures up on here the herd [smiley=cowsleep.gif] will gladly give an opinion as every picture speaks a thousand words especially to them wot knows what they talking about.
That said Hawaii sounds nice.................
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« Last Edit: February 23, 2013, 03:46:31 PM by Lucky_Lou »
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rkover1

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Re: 1979 R65: What to look for?
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2013, 10:19:09 PM »
Well Hawai'i is home for me and I've been much too long!

But, I've wanted an airhead for a long time and I suspect my prospects on the Big Island will be slim at best. Shipping costs to Hawai'i can reach into the obscene.

Either way, I'll end up with something to like. Still have a week to wait before I know.

Thanks for your help!

doc