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Author Topic: R65 engine question  (Read 3247 times)

Birdo

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R65 engine question
« on: June 19, 2007, 02:23:10 PM »
Recently I saw a statement on the web that the engine in the R65 mono is a sleeved-down R80 engine. Is that so? Just curious.


Gabrielle

Birdo

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Re: R65 engine question
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2007, 02:38:42 PM »
Never mind - already got my answer, it's "no, not true."

Jon_P

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Re: R65 engine question
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2007, 03:19:52 PM »
the mono's are detuned r80's. the earlier years that was not the case but the later years yep you had it right the first time.

airhead

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Re: R65 engine question
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2007, 05:11:50 PM »
Sorry, WRONG!!

The R65 Mono engine is all 65. It has a shorter stroke than the R80 engine, so the barrels are shorter and has a different crank so basically is impossible to have a resleeve to reduce the capacity. The Mono only shares the frame of the 80.

Bill..................;-)

Jon_P

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Re: R65 engine question
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2007, 12:07:20 AM »
i am sorry i was wrong, i know a local guy here who i thought took the r80 jugs, heads and such and turned his r65 into a r80. i could have swore that is what he told me, when i called him and asked him about this he said he swapped out the r65 engine for a r80 engine. sorry.
 
are the engine mounts the same in all the air heads? so i could drop a r??? into a r65 frame? and it would fit?

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Re: R65 engine question
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2007, 12:16:07 AM »
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are the engine mounts the same in all the air heads? so i could drop a r??? into a r65 frame? and it would fit?

Jon, as far as I know, the answer is yes.  for example, if you found a nice R100S motor (and carbs!) you could fit it.  Wouldn't that be fun?  The exhaust from one or the other would have to be adapted somehow, not something I know how to do.  But you would have the better frame....  I'm prejudiced.

Ed Miller
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Re: R65 engine question
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2007, 04:49:01 AM »
Or you could 'soup up' your R65 motor.  There are various ways to do this but most tuners that make a living from this sort of thing keep their cards close to their chest.  Some overbore to suit a new light weight piston, some also also skim the heads to increase the compression ratio, and also gas flow the heads.  All recomend mikuni's and a cam change.

You also have to start with a post 81 R65 motor for the capacity hike to 800cc and above as the earlier engine, with the iron bores, heavy flywheel, smaller valves is not as good a starting point.  You cannot overbore the iron barrels too much or you'll end up with a pile of large washers.  The post 81 engine is also significantly lighter - when you take these differences into account (and the weight difference between a valeo and a bosch starter motor is also removed from the equasion). And I am also told that the oilways for the post 81 cranks are improved?

There are many out there who repeat the falacy that an R65 motor cannot take a capacity hike or tune up, but it is not true - the crank might be different, but it is at least as strong as that in the R100 or R80.

I will however admit it would be easier all round to slip in an R100 motor instead, but, as already mentioned, you will have to fabricate/adapt a new exhaust to fit....

Many people who are looking for performance hikes, would start with an R100 motor, because it is easier and the power gains are bigger.  But I like the more compact nature (width wise) and the reviness of the R65 motor, I just cannot justify spending the sort of money required to tune it up.  Plus my motor is a 1979 motor with 100+ thousand miles on it.  

But I have found 3 different tuners in the south of england who have tuned R65's before, each has their own idea of how to go about it.  And each of them have very good reputations to uphold.  But they are looking for business and are not going to give their tricks away for free.

Steve Hawkins
Steve Hawkins R100 (that wants to be an R65)

thrang

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Re: R65 engine question
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2007, 06:46:20 PM »
If you do slip a bigger motor in to the r65 frame, rumor has it that you can run in to ground clearnce issues if you like to chuck your bike around the twistys. Don't know how true it is but it makes sense as the 100 pots do stick out a good bit more than the short stroke 65's.

Jon_P

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Re: R65 engine question
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2007, 08:49:30 PM »
oh i do love the twisties!!! :) i am happy with what i have, i do have a extra r65 frame so if i would ever come across another engine it is good to know these things, though i would really settle for a R75 or R80 wont have to be a big R100. from what i understand there really isnt big leaps in horse power so why go bigger? so you have more on the high end? i dont run that fast anymore anyways.

Baffo

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Re: R65 engine question
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2007, 02:19:59 AM »
engine width difference is about 6cm (!), so 3cm each side, and one of the main reasons I bought an R65G/S instead of an 80 or 100, which is going to be rebuild to a semi supermotard, something like http://westerbaen.tweakdsl.nl/R65GS/800/1911.jpg

another 27HP version R65GS (with R45 cam, heads and carbs...) was souped up with:
Siebenrock kit 1000cc, Siebenrock cylinders shortened ~21mm, special pushrod pipes, R80 pushrods shortened, R80 heads and carbs, std R65 cam (308 instead of 256), bigger mainjets. And then some mods as WP shocks, HPN like frame strengthening, longer driveshaft and rear fork. Dutch link here: http://www.rallyteambdm.nl/2004/verslagen/r65gs.htm
some pictures here: http://www.rallyteambdm.nl/2004/verslagen/r65gs-page1.htm

avi here (~3mb):
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rolfhand/frits_r65gs.avi

Some differences between restricted 65, normal 65 and 80 you can look up here:
http://westerbaen.tweakdsl.nl/R65GS/specs.html

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Re: R65 engine question
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2007, 05:47:45 AM »
Where does one get an exhaust like that from?

All I can get hold is copies of the original.

I would live a 2 into 1 for my R65 cafe racer
Steve Hawkins R100 (that wants to be an R65)

Baffo

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Re: R65 engine question
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2007, 06:49:11 AM »
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Where does one get an exhaust like that from?
All I can get hold is copies of the original.
I would live a 2 into 1 for my R65 cafe racer

2-in-1 for a (cafe)racer...? I wouldn't do that...
http://media.putfile.com/R65GS-with-Supertrapp-megaphone (xvid0037 en mp3) (rest of my thread here http://suraklyn.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1164012590;start=all
read http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~jroche/road_rod.html
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If you purchase a after market exhaust system avoid two into one systems or cross over type headers; use instead a two into two system with traditional 6 degree taper megaphones packed with glass and ending in a 45 degree reverse taper cone whose hole is half again as large as the entrance. The best systems were make by C.J. Axtell in the mid seventies.
and http://home.jps.net/~snowbum/InExTuning.htm
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Use of a two-into-one exhaust system will likely REDUCE performance a fair amount.
Although these two stories do not agree on all principles, I've just replaced my 2-in-1 with rear engine collector for a 2-in-2 with front engine balance pipe. Front means torque, and the tapered megaphones means seemingly endless revving. The mufflers are for a Ducati 900 and can be bought here (Supertrapp/megaphone ducati performance new 299 euro) http://kopen.marktplaats.nl/search.php?ui=437840 (normally they are 1018 euro...)
30th of june I'll put it on a Dyno  8-)
Other exhaust options are here http://www.bmwboxersupplies.com/index.php/cPath/8 and http://www.staintune.com.au/exhausts/bmw/index.htm and http://www.abocms.de/abophp/cms_MainDoc01.php?id=481 (I think your google is broken if you can't find any exhausts :P )
Good luck !
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