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Author Topic: Sawing a screen  (Read 2072 times)

Dizerens5

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Sawing a screen
« on: August 19, 2011, 11:20:21 AM »
Following advice on this forum I have bought a Givi A210 screen for my 79. My bike has the voltmeter and clock "pods" so the screen will not fit without being cut back a bit on the bottom corners. Does anyone know how best to do this without causing damage? The label on the screen tells me it is made of acrylic material. Some hacksaw blades claim to be good for plastic  -- are they really? Or how about one of those battery powered oscillating saws, never tried one. I know when screens were perspex any cutting in usually led to cracks which had to have a hole drilled to stop them spreading. Not beautiful.

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Re: Sawing a screen
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2011, 11:32:12 AM »
I wouldn't go for the power saw. I would think you want something like a hack saw with very fine teeth. When cutting thin material the old rule to prevent juddering was there should be a least 2 teeth cutting so with a 24 TPI blade you can cut sheet material 1/12 th of an inch or thicker.

If you need to cut a curve how about an Abra file blade that fits in a standard hack saw frame. They are such a versatile thing to have they will even cut ceramic tiles.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2011, 11:41:05 AM by bhodgson »
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Dizerens5

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Re: Sawing a screen
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2011, 12:53:55 PM »
Thanks Barry. I have a couple of spare hacksaw blades which are 24 tpi so should be fine as the screen is 1/8" thick. Never heard of an Abra blade but will go looking for one. We no longer have any old fashioned hardware places here with countermen who knew what they sold. Only B&Q with spotty youths who know nothing. Means Ashford 15 miles away.

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Re: Sawing a screen
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2011, 01:12:43 PM »
I used a fine tooth hacksaw blade to cut my fiberglass seat pan. When going around the tight curves I found it helpful to remove the blade from the frame and wrap the ends w/ electrical tape for a handle. A nice new blade should cut through quiet easily with little effort needed.

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Re: Sawing a screen
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2011, 11:26:29 PM »
I used a hack saw with a fine tooth metal blade (for metal) in an electric hacksaw from a friend.  We put down masking tape on both sides of the line to be cut and used gentil pressure.  This helped us guide the blade and not scratch the screen.  The blade kind of melts the acrilic as it cuts the residue of which hardens and coats the edges.  Don't worry.  This will twist off with your fingers or some 200 fine sand paper and a block of wood to even out the edges when done.

If you need to drill holes don't use a standard bit -- the head is too flat.  There is a special acrilic bit which has a steeper angle on the head.  I have a quarter incher which I can lend that I got from Leif Gustafferson www.bikescreen.com in St Augustine FL.  If you blow up yours, Leif can probably replace it even if its not on his web site.  He has been around forever!  
« Last Edit: August 19, 2011, 11:28:52 PM by Semper_Gumby »
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Re: Sawing a screen
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2011, 04:14:10 AM »
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Never heard of an Abra blade

An abrafile blade is a 2mm dia wire that is coated with fine abrasive material. Must be hard stuff like carbide or diamond because they cut ceramics and don't easily wear out.
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Re: Sawing a screen
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2011, 08:30:36 AM »
All this plastic cutting discussion takes me back to the signcrafting days. Where be me old sword stripers...

The abrasive flex blade, "abafile" or other trade names, is an excellent idea; particularly useful for curved cuts.

With whatever combination of cutting tools you use, be sure to adequately secure the plastic substrate as close to the cut line as possible. Try to prevent the plastic from flexing, thus avoiding potential cracking.

Also, use some low-tack tape to cover the plastic and protect it from scratches caused by clamping, sawing, or even just handling the screen.

I found that a flat Vixen file will quickly dress the edges to the final trim line. http://www.simonds.cc/files/vix-flatwithtang.php?menu=mnuPFiles Use the same precautions utilized during the initial cutting evolution.

A small, medium-hard sanding block (available at auto body supply stores, as is the Vixen file) and progressively finer wet/dry papers -used wet- will polish the edge to a pleasing finish. You can go as far as you have the patience with wet sanding to achieve a smooth matte or high gloss edge. Rinse frequently but avoid scratches by not rag wiping.

Working the plastic is fairly simple. The key is protecting the material during the shaping.
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Dizerens5

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Re: Sawing a screen
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2011, 05:44:09 AM »
Thanks everyone. (For those in UK you may need to know that Abrafiles have not been made for quite some time and I've not succeeded in tracking any down. There doesn't seem to be any substitute.)

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Re: Sawing a screen
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2011, 10:06:45 AM »
Hi, I'm sorry if I led you up the garden path with the Givi A210, I know I was initially quite positive on it, but I got frustrated in the end by not been able to find a good position that did not have some drawbacks (too drafty or too noisy).

In respect of cutting, please be very careful, my experimenting lead me finally to shortening the Givi a bit, I used a jigsaw with a fine metal blade, and first attempt worked well ( masking and supporting as Monte suggested above is important), however on a 2nd attempt to perfect the shape I cracked the screen, and this was because I got too brave and tried to turn a corner too sharply with the blade.

I was in Aldi over the weekend and picked up one of these:



There is a blade for cutting plastic included, not sure if the blade is small enough, its from their August 18th specials, if your lucky you might still nab one:
http://www.aldi.co.uk/uk/html/offers/special_buys3_20325.htm
« Last Edit: August 22, 2011, 10:07:34 AM by RSMike »

Dizerens5

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Re: Sawing a screen
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2011, 10:18:32 AM »
In fact I found that despite the two pods the A210 fitted with no bother or alteration -- but it was very far forward leaving a bit gap above the headlight which I imagine let a lot of wind in and certainly light from the headlight was reflected in it, not good. As for wind, I tried it up to 65 mph and noticed no difference at all.  But mainly, it just looked silly. So tried to cut back the sides - various hacksaw blades down to 32 tpi proved useless (far too slow and difficult). So I marked out the cut lines with the hot-knife tip of a little Vulcan butane torch, this easily made a nice groove and I will now try and finish the cut with a Dremel. Confession to make: I never go over about 70 these days and don't really want a screen at all for wind protection, it's just that I have no top box and a screen combined with a big bulldog clip is perfect for holding e.g. letters to post, passport/ferry loading label etc. Strange or what?

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Re: Sawing a screen
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2011, 11:07:30 AM »
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I never go over about 70 these days and don't really want a screen at all for wind protection, it's just that I have no top box and a screen combined with a big bulldog clip is perfect for holding e.g. letters to post, passport/ferry loading label etc. Strange or what?

Hey, nice idea,  :), I never thought of that, I hope the A210 works out good for you, so many variables come into play that I suspect everyone's experience is slightly different.

Anyway, just in case, you ever get an inkling to try something else in the future, i can now highly recommend the Emgo fairing/screen, when fitted, it creates a kinda short flat dash section between your instrument pod and the screen, another handy spot that might be perfect for holding stuff like letters.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2011, 11:08:36 AM by RSMike »

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Re: Sawing a screen
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2011, 09:39:25 PM »
May be too late, but my advice is to buy a dremel tool and related attachments before trying a hacksaw.  Much more precise cutting and fine tuning.

Dizerens5

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Re: Sawing a screen
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2011, 05:40:07 AM »
Thanks Randy. I did actually use a Dremel, it worked fine!