The New And Improved Unofficial R65 Forum V2

General Category => Totally Off-Topic Discussions, Rants, Tire & Oil Threads, Etc. => Topic started by: livingdeadhead on June 21, 2013, 12:43:37 PM

Title: stove enamellers THE best!
Post by: livingdeadhead on June 21, 2013, 12:43:37 PM
just got my crash bars back from 'metal magic' in barnsley , taken in wednesday , done friday. only stoving company i've used for years , and i'm a fussy b"£$%d ! £20.00, as cheap as spray cans! lol
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Post by: livingdeadhead on June 21, 2013, 12:55:33 PM
the white bits are just dust!
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Post by: Luca on June 22, 2013, 10:26:55 AM
They look great.  What a fantastic way to go about getting a quality finish at a good price!

Did they bake the finish?
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Post by: Ed Miller on June 24, 2013, 02:09:23 PM
That looks good.  I wonder what they would charge for a frame.
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Post by: Lucky_Lou on June 24, 2013, 03:46:13 PM
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That looks good.  I wonder what they would charge for a frame.
I had that dilemma there was not much difference in cost  between painting the frame or stove enamelling but the risk of warping due to the high temperatures decided it for me ... i painted it
Lou
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Post by: Lucky_Lou on June 24, 2013, 03:48:21 PM
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just got my crash bars back from 'metal magic' in barnsley , taken in wednesday , done friday. only stoving company i've used for years , and i'm a fussy b"£$%d ! £20.00, as cheap as spray cans! lol
Were they chromed before you did them and did you have to have them blasted/
Lou
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Post by: livingdeadhead on June 26, 2013, 10:30:29 AM
before pic! a frame and all the bits was £80.00 a few years ago , number is 01226 298544 , probably more now tho! doen't warp the frame lou its uniform heat , besides its only hot enough to melt the powder . they dont need to blast them much as they soak them overnight in something that loosens the paint and rust. ive used these people for 20 years now and had frames , wheels etc done in all sorts of colours, they do metallics too. google 'em.
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Post by: CaptainSlow on June 27, 2013, 01:06:04 AM
This company comes up quite often and I've never heard a bad thing about them. I'll be using either these peeps or Pegasus in Huddersfield http://www.pegasuscoatings.co.uk Both have great reputations
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Post by: montmil on June 27, 2013, 08:03:45 AM
OK, couple clarification questions from the Colonies:

1) Is stove enameling the same as what we'uns call powder coating?

2) Back in the days of Coventry and Meriden, wasn't stove enameling a brushed-on paint application that was then baked?

My old 1953 T100C had numerous hardened paint drips around the forging and tube junctures. They were definitely OEM.
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Post by: Barry on June 27, 2013, 12:44:04 PM
In my mind stove enameling and powder coating are similar but different processes.

Stove enameling  is a very hard, brittle, vitreous finish. I imagine the temperatures involved are much higher than what we normally think of as powder coating

I don't know, but I suspect the crash bars were powder coated. Maybe the company mentioned provides both.

I had some experience with cheap low temperature powder coating back in the 70's and to say the the durability of the the finish was rubbish would be an understatement.  Probably a whole spectrum of heat flowed powder coatings exist from soft PVC like finishes all the the way up to glass hard stove enameling. That would explain why results seem to vary so much from one company to another.
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Post by: Lucky_Lou on June 27, 2013, 04:07:38 PM
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OK, couple clarification questions from the Colonies:

1) Is stove enameling the same as what we'uns call powder coating?

2) Back in the days of Coventry and Meriden, wasn't stove enameling a brushed-on paint application that was then baked?

My old 1953 T100C had numerous hardened paint drips around the forging and tube junctures. They were definitely OEM.

Stove enameling  is a differant older process involving higher temperatures and will tend to chip. Where as powder coating is more durrable and applied at much lower temperatures. I doubt the T100C was coated more likely to have been hand painted (brushed) by a craftsman coachbuilder.
Lou
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Post by: clonmore1 on June 28, 2013, 04:46:50 PM
I used Triple SSS in  Bingley for my black bits and they look fantastic. They were expensive but will last for years
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Post by: livingdeadhead on July 01, 2013, 10:25:04 AM
yes it is powder coating , we just call it stoving over here for some reason true stove enamelling is too brittle ive some old stoved camping metal crockery that are tough , but can chip, would be too brittle for bike stuff, avoid plastic coating tho, if that chips rust gets underneath and it peels , with powder coating you can touch it in, incidentally my r65 is 100% original finish apart from the seat which was rock hard and damaged , my frames showing some return to ferrous oxide! but i want to ride it not restore it! (yet)