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Title: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: montmil on July 20, 2011, 09:20:53 PM
The National Museum of the Pacific War, in Fredericksburg, Texas- the birthplace of Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz- is dedicated to perpetuating the memory of the Pacific Theater of WWII in order that the sacrifices of those who contributed to victory may never be forgotten.

http://www.pacificwarmuseum.org/Index.asp

My late father-in-law was a young P-51 fighter pilot in the Southwest Pacific theatre late in the war; but not too late to miss going 'round with the Japanese A6M Zero.

Several years ago, my mother-in-law gifted Lynn and I with some of her father's 'mementos' of his experiences; one being a Japanese fighter pilot's knee board flight computer. Almost identical to the E6B flight computer I used while flying with both the USAFAux for ten years and in general aviation. I always referred to it as a flight "confuser".

Recently, I have been in contact with the Museum's Curator of Collections regarding the donation of the knee board and several other bits of historical significance. What I'm searching for is a way to determine the value of the JAAF knee board and a few other items. The United States Tax Code has provisions for such donations that make gifting to recognized non-profit museums financially attractive.

Any information and/or resources from knowledgeable individuals within the R65 forum would be greatly appreciated.

Monte

(https://bmwr65.org/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi196.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa1%2Fmontmil%2FSunL%2520and%2520Misc%2520Pics%2FJAAFE6B01.jpg&hash=a7f40603cbcbba2508ffcb4291ce3ecd565f83ec)

Original pencil tick marks- most likely from the pilot's last flight- remain on the lower wind correction portion of the computer.

(https://bmwr65.org/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi196.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa1%2Fmontmil%2FSunL%2520and%2520Misc%2520Pics%2FJAAFE6B02.jpg&hash=46d05b2d84a1584d8946be0323078617243cd808)

Data plate. I wonder if the pilot was dinged for restitution as he did not return all of his issued flight gear.

Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: marcmax on July 21, 2011, 06:23:47 AM
Monte,

That is just too cool! As an aviation and history buff I just think that must be incredible to actually hold in your hand a piece of history from one of the greatest conflicts known to man. While I don't have any idea of its value you might want to contact either of these places. I am sure they can supply you with what you need.

http://www.navalaviationmuseum.org/

http://www.navalaviationmuseum.org/
Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: marcmax on July 21, 2011, 06:24:40 AM
Oops.

http://www.museumofaviation.org/
Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: Bengt_Phorqs on July 21, 2011, 11:25:01 AM
That's too cool Monte!  How is it that it's still in such good condition?  I would have thought that you and your young grandson would have been out in the back yard playing dog fights like we used to do as kids.  

Just a suggestion but try to contact the Museum at the US Naval Academy.  http://www.usna.edu/Museum/

And as a sidebar comment I have to say that those guys must really be woosies.  On the USNA homepage it's posted that the 0930 parade was cancelled because of "high heat".  Hell, it's only 91.9F in Annapolis, MD.  It was that hot at 0800 this morning here in Texas!  Wimps. ;D
Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: montmil on July 21, 2011, 02:17:10 PM
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... On the USNA homepage it's posted that the 0930 parade was cancelled because of "high heat".  Hell, it's only 91.9F in Annapolis, MD.  It was that hot at 0800 this morning here in Texas!  Wimps. ;D

Well, Bengt, you being ex-Army, and all that that implies, will be stunned to hear that Army regs now require that outdoor basic training evolutions will be canceled and E-nothings moved indoors when temp & humidity monitoring stations on post reach certain "uncomfortable" parameters.

One of SFC Miller's old emails from Iraq mentioned his seeing 130°+F /54°+C on a thermometer pinned to his TLBV (Tactical Load Bearing Vest) while patrolling a Sadr City alley, outfitted in full battle rattle, cica 2004. No slack.

Monte
Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: Bengt_Phorqs on July 21, 2011, 03:14:26 PM
Yeh, the next thing you know we'll be putting air conditioning in the schools for all the little hot house plants, and then women will be allowed in the corps at Texas A&M.  

What's it coming to and how'd it get this far??? [smiley=wall.gif]
Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: Dizerens5 on July 22, 2011, 04:54:00 AM
Health and safety is driving us to distraction. I was just in a restaurant in Cornwall, here in England, they have posted a notice saying that they regret they can't heat up baby food for customers because their liability insurance company will not permit it. Crazy.
Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: clonmore1 on July 23, 2011, 04:40:08 AM
And, here in the UK, schools have banned conker fights due to the "serious threat of personal injury"

And they wonder why kids don't have any ambition anymore...

Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: Dizerens5 on July 23, 2011, 05:51:42 AM
When I was about 10 or 11 we played a game we called"territory" at school. Find a bare-earth patch of playground, use a knife to mark out a rectangle about 3 ft by 2, mark it half way across. two boys stood one on each half and threw their pocket knife to try to mark a groove which would extend their half. Nobody ever got hurt. Today health-and-safety inspectors would go completely ape.
Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: Air4Life on July 23, 2011, 12:59:56 PM
That's great Monti.  A long time friend of mine's dad was a WWII Ace.  I remember years after his passing getting a peak at his logbook.  His last flight described a few maneuvers.  There were no embellishments or attempts to glorify the occasion at all for making it through that experience...  

I imagine any flier would admit, that it had to be quite a feeling, and a well deserved fun ride he had just entered there in his log.  Thanks Mr. R. and the rest.


By the way, the following is not a picture of my friends dad.  Its just a reminder that when all the electronic gizmos take a dump, even Spoc had to return to the basics.

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Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: nhmaf on July 29, 2011, 08:52:46 PM
That is very cool Monte!

I also wouldn't know what such a device is worth, but in such good condition, I am certain that it would be something which such a museum would be very thankful / grateful for receiving.
Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: montmil on July 30, 2011, 07:46:28 AM
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... I also wouldn't know what such a device is worth, but in such good condition, I am certain that it would be something which such a museum would be very thankful / grateful for receiving.

I thought so too, Mike, but now I'm a bit frustrated and surprised. Here's what I've learned so far...

Fredericksburg, Texas is home to the National Museum of the Pacific War. The museum complex is spread throughout the central city and provides an excellent 'walking" tour to the various venues. My wife and I decided that a Texas-based museum of this quality would be an appropriate setting for several of the mementos from a Texas WWII fighter pilot.

http://www.pacificwarmuseum.org/BushGallery.asp

I did contact the Museum's director of acquisitions and quickly learned several facts: 1) Only 1% of items in the Museum's collection are ever on display; 2) Donated items can often languish in storage for, "ten years or more" until utilized in some way; 3) Items donated become the property of the Museum and are subject to "trades" with other museums.

I've contacted other quality aviation museums around Texas and discovered the same "rules of engagement".

We have returned the artifact to our home's "climate-controlled storage facility", aka: my closet.

Monte



Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: wa1udg on August 04, 2011, 12:13:35 PM
What's an "e nothing"  is that like a "Private E Duce"?   We found the "Speedy Fours" slowed down when it got hot.  
Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: wa1udg on August 04, 2011, 12:17:42 PM
You might try the Smithsonian.. ever looked at their "Air and Space" magazine?  If you visit Washington (undercover) you must visit their Air Museum.  Lots of big aircoled stuff there.  Lotta jugs on a B 29.  
Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: montmil on August 04, 2011, 12:56:56 PM
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What's an "e nothing" 

Brand newbie, know nothing, day one, slick sleeve, USArmy recruit. Pay grade barely E-1. The absolute bottom of the list, hence many basic Soldiers refer to themselves as "E-Nothing" or occasionally as an "E-Fuzzy" since there's no rank insignia on the velcro shoulder patch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_enlisted_rank_insignia

Proud to be an Army Dad. -Monte



Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: wa1udg on August 04, 2011, 04:15:48 PM
Did my  time at the Benning School for Boys  some years ago.  Laerned how to swear at malfunctioning weapons and eat red dirt.  Back then, and it may be true today, an EM could NOT be busted below E-2  "E Duce".  A "Speedy Four" is, in officer  paralance, a Specialist 4th Class.  Retraining after the cofffee break was sometimes required.  
Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: montmil on August 04, 2011, 06:23:36 PM
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... Retraining after the cofffee break was sometimes required.

For the officers?

The O-grades develop training evolutions and budgets. Senior NCOs run the Army. Ask any career officer how things get done. Charlie Mike. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Monte
Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: Bengt_Phorqs on August 05, 2011, 05:49:47 PM
Since the day I was discharged when meeting up with a former dog face I would usually ask if they were an officer or a Man.  Only knew a handful of officers that deserved respect back in the old Army.  Caliber is much higher today.
Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: Rob Valdez 79 R65 on August 05, 2011, 06:00:53 PM
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Since the day I was discharged when meeting up with a former dog face I would usually ask if they were an officer or a Man.  Only knew a handful of officers that deserved respect back in the old Army.  Caliber is much higher today.
So officers are just lawyers and politicians in civilian life?
Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: wa1udg on August 05, 2011, 07:04:44 PM
Some of the O grades, Monti, were rifle  platoon leaders.   Why don't you bag YOUR prejudice.  
Title: Re: WWII artifact appraisal
Post by: wa1udg on August 05, 2011, 07:05:53 PM
And some of them flew gunships.