The New And Improved Unofficial R65 Forum V2
Technical Discussion => Misc. Technical Discussion => Topic started by: Justin B. on April 22, 2007, 11:55:41 PM
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Yesterday I conned the kid into going to Harbor Freight with me, well, don't really have to con too much on that! ;) BUT, while we were there I bought a fairly stout mill/drill machine and told him he was elected to help me get it into my shop. Needless to say the fun was just beginning...
To make a long story short due to obstructions I could not back up to my shop, but I was able to get to within about 20 feet - of fairly rough lawn... With the help of a couple of sheets of plywood, my engine crane, and a moving dolly, we kind of leap-frogged the monstrosity (all 700 lbs of it) into the shop. I had to take down a couple of the partitions in my "paint booth" and by the time we built something for it to sit on and finally got it sitting where it belonged it was about 6:00 PM - we went to Harbor Freight about 9:00 AM...
I went to work cleaning the preservative grease off and oiling things up properly, plugged it in, threw the switch, and the FREAKING MOTOR IS DOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I get to deal with Harbor Freight's infamous technical non-support department tomorrow. I'd almost rather discuss the obvious merits of the second amendment with Sarah Brady...
But, it'll be fun once it is fixed!
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You know, Justin, most of the time I think Oregon has too many people already. But when I see some of the stuff you do (and toys you have!) I realize there is room for another family. C'mon out! If needed you can store stuff like that in my 1200 square foot shop. But you have to show me how to work it.... That may take up the rest of your life. :-[
Oh yeah, my local HF has been easy to deal with so far, though I haven't had anything big go wrong like that. I bet the individual store managers have lots of discretion on returns and stuff.
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I'd say they had best send a tech out to diagnose and repair!
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ok now your getting on my nerves ;D that is the machine i want to get first and then a lathe from them. i need a shop first. someday! someday! i have lots to get ready first. so what are you going to make first?
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With "endless" possibilities it's hard to decide! Probably some brackets for the mill to hang some dial indicators from.
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If I remember correctly the motor on these mills cab be optioned to run on 110 or 220. My father in law bought one some years back and had the same problem. It's possible that you may have to perform some additional setup. But... in the meantime I'm going to go look for my drafting pencils.
Rich
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Rich, I was originally hoping that it had been mis-wired so I verified it with the enclosed wiring diagram and it seemed to match up with the 110VAC mode. The control box on the motor also had diagrams on how to wire it up for whatever voltage and direction of rotation so I just wired a cord up to it directly and the same thing!
I spoke with their support this afternoon (store manager called me and passed along a number as he only got as far with them as them asking how many amp circuit it was on) and they will be shipping me a new motor, AS SOON AS THEY GET OFF BACKORDER!!!!!!!! Abu (at least that's who the guy sounded like if you know your Simpson's characters) told me it would be 6-8 weeks, I think at that point I swore or something and he quickly came back and said (probably a lie) 20 days... I'm gonna talk with the store manager again and see if he'll swap me the motor, or at least let me borrow, off the display model as he admitted it had been there longer than he had been...
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I love the Simpsons. About the only show on TV I watch, except for a couple of Saturday night public radio.
If I had one of those, I wouldn't need a drill press, right?
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side note: the simpsons is the longest running sitcom ever!
yep if you had that you wouldnt need a drill press.
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Speaking of drill press, I may check the motor shaft and swap it over to the mill while I am WAITING 6-8 WEEKS >:( for my replacement motor, because, y'all have pointed out I don't need the drill press any more. I think the actual physical mountings are the same and I thing the drill press has a 1.5 HP motor which is what some models of this particular mill come with. Hmmm...
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Speaking of drill press, I may check the motor shaft and swap it over to the mill while I am WAITING 6-8 WEEKS >:( for my replacement motor, because, y'all have pointed out I don't need the drill press any more. I think the actual physical mountings are the same and I thing the drill press has a 1.5 HP motor which is what some models of this particular mill come with. Hmmm...
You don't need the drill press anymore? Sounds like it's time for me to move it into my garage. ;D
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Hey, what are you doing in here, you're an Oilhead! We may have to negotiate...
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This would be "The Son"? :o
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Yes, that would be our gracious host
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No problemo. It's just a shame the provider isn't 100% guaranteed uptime... then again, it's hard finding one that will claim anything more than 99% [that I can afford].
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Many thanks for letting this site continue on to it's present home! It has been stated before, that financial help is out here if it ever becomes an issue, all you need to do is ask!
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Are "Oilheads" also "Cows"?
Random thought "Luke! The Cow is your Father!" - Sorry Justin ::)
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I don't know, Bill, but that would be a good question for Dirk! I would kinda think no since I think the paralever rear suspension might have eliminated (or drastically reduced) the "cow" aspect of the "rubber cow" nickname.
I can think of no suitable comeback to Mr. Vader...
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Been werkin' a bit but now I can check the list. Justin seeing as your gonna be tied up by Abu for a while I was wondering if the motor is a capacitive start motor. kinda like a swimming pool pump motor.
Rich
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Rich, yes it is and I have a sneaking suspiscion that it is one of the start caps as one of them has a decent dent in it which, I suppose, could cause it to short internally. My neighbor is a heating/AC contractor and I am going to see if he has any laying around but I'm not really "up" on this stuff so not sure how close to the value I need to be...
The store manager at HF claimed he plugged in their display model (he was considering loaning me the motor) and it didn't work either...
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Justin,
Sounds like your on it. I have had problems with cap motors where the cap was bad/wired wrong/ or the centrifugal contacts that de energize the cap once the motor is up to rpm were not making contact. The last item is purely mechanical and can usually be found under the end cover in the motor. These little points like contacts close the circuit to the cap when stationary and as the motor spins up an arrangement of springs and weighted arms open the contacts. With your mechanical talent you may be able to view these parts and tell if they are closed / open at rest. here are some general diagrams http://tinyurl.com/3bpw32 from http://www.educypedia.be/electronics/motoracsingle.htm
Rich
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Caught my neighbor outside yesterday and he grabbed a meter and tested my start capacitor and pronounced it good so guess I'm back to waiting for the motor. Only 5-7 more weeks to go! I did get the return slip in the mail last week so they were at least punctual about that...
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Well good on ya!
Helpful neighbors can be a blessing. Keep us posted and I'll keep werkin' on my machinist drawings in the meantime :)
rich
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OK, the "slow boat from China" (I always used to think that was just a funny saying...) finally came in. FedEx snuck by (what's with these guys!!?? They don't even ring the bell anymore...) and dropped a box on the porch. I drug it out to the shop, installed it, and rotational motion is a beautiful thing to behold! ;D Now, y'all gotta help me come up with stuff to do on it to help it earn it's keep so wife.gov doesn't decide I fibbed about it's usefulness. ::)
I like the idea of modifying some valve covers, I actually thought about how cool this would be while fishing around in the bottom of the drain pan for that stupid 6mm nut while changing the wife's oil the other day. I don't have any of the "peanut" style covers but do have an extra pair (somewhere) of the later style covers so I'll have to give 'em a look-see.
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earn it's keep so wife.gov doesn't decide I fibbed about it's usefulness. ::) quote]
That sounds like my missus's when I come home with a new toy for the shed...
I usually find that if I tell her, it will also be useful for jobs on her Zephyr she's more likely to believe me, well mostly :D
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You may have something there. I'll have to think up something to make for her motorcycle...
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New motor was installed a few weeks back, I scarfed an old milling vise from e-Bay and milled some new jaws for it yesterday at school. Today I went out and made a mess with it so I guess I'm in business!