The New And Improved Unofficial R65 Forum V2
General Category => General Announcements => Topic started by: thrang on May 20, 2007, 08:41:13 PM
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Don't know if it will intrest anyone but I took a sequence of photos fitting a sure foot stand to my bike this evening.
http://www.thrang.freeserve.co.uk/stand.htm
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cool! i was thinking about doing something like that. my center stand deploy lever is missing (i'm told that is a common thing that happens)
i was just going to cut mine side stand in half and weld a section in to make up the difference. i think i need to reconsider.
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Way cool, Tony, let me be ignorant & ask what's that currency conversion?
I was checking out a Brown takeoff earlier, made by Fenheimer in Germany, that sells new for $124 + s&h, a little less than the Brown's usual $150. Still too much, in my head.
But, this Surefoot looks both cheaper and more stable, no?
Anyone know of a US importer? Motorworks says they no longer ship to the US, and I can't find a complete price at Motobins.
Thanks much, in advance!
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Other than them being a little naughty if fitted anything post 85 because they don't conform to some euro bollocks regulations and self retract , they are a vast improvement on the stock stand and cost according my 2007/8 Motorbins catalogue (The part number is 91694) £64.82.
Based on to todays exchange rate that works out at $127.86 plus postage.
Tony
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That's not a bad price at all! I doubt if the "Carriage" rate (or S&H to us Yanks) would be much, since the item does't weigh much and the shipping box wouldn't be large. Hell, I paid $135.00 plus $15.00 S&H for my Brown sidestand a couple of years ago!
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Seems I remember reading on another forum that the "Surefoot" is not sold to US customers, or is sold by a company that does not ship to the US...
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$127 + s&h, huh? And the Fenheimer (German Brown clone) is roughly the same price, actually a few bucks less & available thru a US importer.
Hmmmm, decision, decisions. Anyone here have an opinion, assuming both are available at appx. the same price?
Thanks for any input.
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Since the the Surefoot, Brown and Fenheimer all are basically the same I'd get the cheepist.
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The prices of the Surefoot and the Fenheimer are roughly the same, but the design is vastly different.
While the Fenheimer/Brown copy is more traditional and nicely chromed, the Surefoot looks to maybe be more purely functional (?) :-/
I do like that big flat foot at the end...
ps: Just checked Motobins, and the Surefoot is actually appx. $108 as the VAT is removed for "out of U.K. shipments". Of course, there's still shipping to consider, the amount of which is unknown at this point...
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I was meaning more function and performace than design as such, I've never had a close look at Brown type and cannot comment on how easy they are to fit.
Not paying the VAT, may well even out the postage as well.
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I would like to change my sidestand as well....the one I have on there is not the original but it may be slightly too long or mounting on the wrong angle as it makes the bike stand up too straight and it is hard to deploy at the side of the road when there is a downslope to the ditch. I can get into embarrassing spots..can't get off...and HAVE to move to a flatter area or just sit there on the bike.
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i would like one, i was playing with mine this week end and it auto retracts, and the darn thing auto retracted with my fingers in the way! that left a little mark on my smallest finger. i like how it looks more functional that pretty.
thrang are you willing to be a exporter? ;)
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Jon, I emailed Motobins last Friday to get prices/shipping info, but haven't heard back from them yet.
Their website says to allow 5 days...
Oops, spoke too soon. Got an email from them this morning, saying
"Hi sir,
The 91694 is out of stock at this time.
I can guess the shipping to be 25.00GBP because of the weight of the stand.
Regards from Peter Locke
Moto-Bins Online
World-Wide independent supplier of parts for BMW Motorcycles
Hepco & Becker Equipment UK Importers. "
Well crap. On to the Fenheimer, I suppose...
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I tell you, guys, if I were you, I'd stop screwing around with these Bigfoot and whatever that other German brand is and just get a Brown sidestand. You just can't beat the design! Simple to deploy, lightweight, easy to install, and it WORKS EVERY TIME! There ain't no way for it to screw up or accidently retract and catch one's fingers. I really think my Brown sidestand is the single best purchase I made for Britta since I bought her almost four years ago! I found my receipt from Bob's BMW, and the total including S&H was $137.45.
A real bargain, if you ask me! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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Browns are pretty much NLA, hard to find & expensive, $150 plus, then add $15-20 s&h, if you're lucky.
Fenheimer is an exact replica of the Brown (it appears), German made, available from Re-psycle in Ohio for $124.95 plus s&h: have an email out to them right now checking shipping and availability.
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Interesting, I have bought two withing the past year... Has anybody tried beemerrich_49503@hotmail.com ? I bought my last one (for my '95 R100) from him for $105... I don't know if he is still selling them or not but he used to list on ibmwr.org...
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Justin, he's got nothing at the moment on Ebay or ibmwr, but I just emailed him to check his inventory. He's the guy up in Grand Rapids that makes Brown repros, I've seen his listings before.
Maybe I'll get lucky...
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Matt at Boxerworks has Browns. According to his eBay ad (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BROWN-SIDE-STAND-FITS-AIRHEAD-BMW-MOTORCYCLE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35610QQihZ019QQitemZ290117720460QQtcZphoto), he has them for R65's. $149.00 +shipping worldwide He has a shipping estimator on the eBay page. His phone number in Georgia is 706 310-0031
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Matt's been out of R65 stands for at least a coupla months now.
Meanwhile, the Surefoot is also out of stock at Motobins, and I can't get replies from Re-psycle or beemerrich_49503@hotmail.com , both of whom sell Brown clones.
I'm beginning to think it's an omen that I spend 150-or-so bucks on something else... ::)
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Steve...... This is your conscience speaking.....Go for the Brown's... Go for the Brown's... Go for the Brown's... Listen to your conscience.... You know it's the right thing to do....Go for the Brown's..... [smiley=happy.gif]
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Find me a Brown's for sale and I'll buy it: there are none, apparently.
Meanwhile, I'm off to check out a new gun shop...
PS: John, test rides today at the Guzzi dealer in Burlington, NC, http://www.midcarolinapowersports.com/ .
If you get bored and want to take a road trip, it's maybe 3 hours from you, straight up I 85...
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so you havent been able to find any? i hope this doesnt lead to some cage death e-bay out bid match between us >:( i have to get rid of that auto retract side stand. i am going to end up dropping it over one of these times because of that.
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Jon P, I think I've found the hook up on the Browns: you still interested?
Anyone else? I should know for sure very shortly...
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yep i have some paypal that i could use! let me know where i need to call or order!
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Will do, have tentative confirmation for 1, trying to get details on quantity.
Be back in touch ASAP... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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Okay, Jon, PM and email to you, I just paid for mine. $110 including s&h.
Finally...
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thanks again, i just sent him a email asking to send a paypal request!
i will feel alot better about this after its on. i do not like the auto retract side stand that i have now.
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just sent my payment!
he said he was ordering them tomorrow? wonder where he is getting them from? if he can sell them for $100 wonder how much he gets them for?
thanks for doing all the leg work steve!
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well i got mine today. know i have to figure out how it put it on. steve you get yours yet? it is nicely made! i am really impressed.
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Nope, I haven't seen mine yet, but you're a lot closer to The Man in Michigan, so maybe it'll come today.
I'm looking forward to getting it installed and thoroughly tested this weekend, hopefully.
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how and where does this mount? i am not the smartest bald ape but i dont see how or where this mounts. there are two mounting holes? one with a strange nut and bolt and the other with a what i am guessing is a longer lower engine mountng bolt. so i put this on the front lower engine mount with the new supplied longer bolt, what is this other one then for? if it was just the one bolt i would think it would maybe be able to move?
another thing i found out. if i use the front lower engine mount when folded up i wont be able to get my foot under the shifter so it looks like i am going to mount it at the rear mount like thang did.
i should say that my frame is a late 78 so they call it a 79. i should go get some pixs for everyone to look and see what i am talking about.
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From my limited recollection at the moment, I believe these things do attach to the rear motor mount, where an exhaust hanger is also, putting the stand mid-ship.
Any Brown-sidestand-riding-R65ers out there have any pics and/or practical advice? :-?
After all the hassle involved in locating these things, the d*mn thing oughta install itself!
PS: Still at work, but curious and found this pic. Does it tell us anything?
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thanks steve that now makes sense as to what needs to be done. the extra hole i didnt know what it was for is for the exhaust hanger to bolt on to so it doesnt get messed up with the side stand mounting. now its clear.
it is easy enough, i used a floor jack with the bike on the center stand so when i switched out the longer mount bolt i could put a little upward tension on the engine so it was easy to get that bolt in and out. if that made sense.
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Jon, glad to hear that that pic answered the question. I hoped it might.
Kinda keeps me from probably asking the same thing when my stand starts going on... ;)
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thats ok i dont mind looking like the village idiot ;D
it gets bad when i start answering myself, then i have to ask the doc to up my meds and give me another dose of fuel.
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A formidable chunk of chromed steel.
Cool. Finally.
I hope I won't need to utter the words 'side' and 'stand' in conjunction ever again.
(https://bmwr65.org/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi146.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr261%2Fsteve2371%2FBrown.jpg&hash=997d81473d3fa811cde2941cf01360d7d5d7e369)
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steve you gets your mounted yet?
i did, but now i have to play with my custom exhaust, but thats easy.
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Yep, got 'er all installed, and it was a snap. I think John's right, it was a great investment! [smiley=thumbup.gif]
I don't have any exhaust issues, but do have some minor ones with clearance for my Reynolds Ride-off center stand. Nothing I can't adjust to, I was just using it almost exclusively and now need to jiggle a toe to get them both back into the same area. No biggie.
BTW, I see our "connection" has joined the ranks here, but is laying low for now...
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well its good he did, then it not as hard to find him when others need to get these pimp side stands.
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Hmmm, got to go check the recent joiners... 8-)
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Well...guess what...I just returned from my 2 week plus 2 day trip to the BMWRA and Kickstand Lodge visit in the Great Smokies, NC and I bought a Brown sidestand from Matt of Boxerworks for the full $149.00. I was so excited to find one I could not resist it. So I have lugged it home as a present for LRB! I was getting pretty tired of LRB's inability to deploy the original sidestand on any surface that wasn't level or cambered away from the bike...the orig. sidestand you see makes LRB stand up too straight! So I hope all will be well now when I get this Brown's stand on. I really had problems when off on the side of the road and wanted to put the old stand down...it just dug into the gravel and I couldn't use it without a huge, scary lean to the right which I wasn't prepared to do. So thanks so much for the mounting pics...Matt told me about it but my brain was fried from heat. Sorry I didn't go to the Airheads rally instead. The RA at the Biltmore was OK but where they had us camp was sandy and hot and the showers and toilets and garbage cans were wholly inadequate for the 3009 attendees! The 8,000 acres of the Biltmore Estate are mostly covered with trees...all except the field they planted us in!
I hear the MOA fairgrounds site this year has NO TREES whatsoever! Yuck..I hate heat like that! I get testy! >:(
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Help! Please describe exactly what 2 mounting spots for the Brown stand on my R65LS. I have the exhaust hangar/engine mount bolt figured but there isn't a second place for the other hole that I can see! My new Brown stand has one empty mounting hole and one with a bolt/nut on it.
What I am missing also is I have NO longer engine mounting bolt supplied from Matt. Is it essential? Maybe the R65LS frame is different. At a loss here!
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can you post a pix sue? lets wee what you have going on.
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Sue,
I have never had to use the longer rear engine mount bolt (included from some sellers), and the one I bought from Matt didn't come with one either. You should just be able to back the r/h nut off a bit and get enough "slack" to mount the Brown (rear-most hole) to the left side rear engine mount. The front hole is the attachment point for the exhaust hanger (using the included hardware) once you detach it from the rear engine mount...
The image posted earlier, by Steve, pretty much shows it all...
(https://bmwr65.org/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsuraklyn.com%2Fyabb%2FAttachments%2FBrownonR65.jpg&hash=95aeccb2ab16a0be531204afe86725885c3778a1)
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From what I can remember, the picture instructions that came with the Brown's stand were not very clear at all. It wasn't clear that I was supposed to use the clamp for the exhaust as part of the points for securing the stand, with the other being the frame. I think I put it on wrong at first, looked at it and said to myself, "That can't be right!" :-/
I finally figured it out after about an hour.... ::)
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Yeah, the instructions did leave a bit to be desired but I was lucky my '81 R100 came with one. Plus, I think I remember in my instructions that it said to turn the exhaust hanger around "backwards", I tried and there was no way it would fit up...
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Well I'll be.....I did not notice that the first pic posted had to be scrolled down to see the way the exhaust hangar had been moved from the rear exhaust mount to accommodate the front hole of the Brown stand. NOW it makes sense and I apologise for being so dumb and having to ask an obvious question. Of course, I say this before i go out to the bike in the shed and look at it in reality. I should not be back.....I hope...thank you all.
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Happily I return to say the new Brown stand is mounted!! The only thing I did a bit differently is use another exhaust clamp I had around the place for the front mounting hole and I left the other one on the engine mounting bolt along with the back brown stand's hole. I couldn't use the stand's nut/bolt as my clamp had this built in with it's own bolt. Brown's bolt not nearly long enough. Now I sure hope to be able to park anywhere!!! So it just goes to show ya that sometimes a picture is NOT worth a thousand words...and a few words help for dunces like me.