The New And Improved Unofficial R65 Forum V2
General Category => General Announcements => Topic started by: its_only_me on February 10, 2007, 04:42:08 AM
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First post, so a quick hello.
I have just (Jan 27th) bought my first beemer, an old beat up and neglected LS in silver just like Diesel Dave's, I never paid a heap of money for it, as I rescued it from an autojumble, it is in need of a fair bit of work as she doesn't run at this time, but is coming together.
As I said it is silver, has had 3 owners, was last registered for road use in 1992, and has been stood in a garage since then, but only has 18k on the clock.
So here she is as I bought her...
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and here she is now...
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Kevin.
Other pictures of bikes can be seen here.....
http://kevindean.zenfolio.com/
http://www.pbase.com/uk_kev
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Welcome to the neighborhood, Kevin. The old girl's lookin' good!
Very impressive photo portfolios too: lots of the good stuff!
Again, Welcome!!
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Welcome Kevin! Indeed a great find. Was it running when you got it?
BTW, never heard of an autojumble. I noticed you have pics from several years of them. What's that all about?
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Thanks for the welcome.
Was it running when bought
No, but it did start on jump leads, and a can of easy start, I paid a fair bit less than the price asked though.
what is a Bike Jumble/autojumble
It is a bit like an automotive flea market, they are great days out, some are big over a couple of days, and some are small.
It really is a British tradition, and there can be some good bargains to be found.
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Welcome, Kevin !!
Good work ! I dare say that the seat on your LS looked to be in better shape than mine, even in the
"before" photo ! These LS models often seem to be quite low mileage for the years of age that they are,
I think that it must have something to do with the fact that there are fewer luggage/accessories for touring
that will go on them versus the "standard" R65. Still, they are quite unique looking and I always get a
thumbs up from folks when I ride mine around town.
Our community here is growing by the week !
-Mike
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Welcome, looks like you got a helluva deal on it. I think what you are referring to as a "jumble" would be what we call a "swap-meet" over on this side of the pond...
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Swap meet that's the sort of thing, well as you can see from my pictures they are a big deal here, full of old gear, mostly old Brit stuff, but now getting more Jap and euro gear as well.
[size=14]The R65LS, I wonder how many are left worldwide, is there a Register?[/size]
So what have I done since buying the old thing....
Tank was full of red frothy liquid crap and rust, so that has been cleaned (harder to do than to say)
I have also bought and started fitting...
new fuel tap (petcock) + new gauze filter.
inline fuel filter.
new fuel lines.
new coil (old grey one cracked)
new plug leads.
new "used" chrome silencers (mufflers) black ones had rotted out.
new float bowl gaskets.
Odyssey battery.
new side panels.
Oil filter.
carb to head rubbers.
I have to get carb kits as they still leak, a by product of standing so long!
I then have to overhaul the brakes, and change the tyres, and she should be good to go. I hope to have her on the road for the easter break.
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If the carbs still piss on your boot, even after adjusting the floats and putting on new bowl gaskets, it could be the floats have deteriorated. This is fairly common and you may need to replace the floats. Another thing is that the rubber tips on the needles may be buggered and/or there could be crap keeping the needles from seating properly. The latter was what was causing us grief on one carb until "backflushing" through the seat. All kinds of black chunks spewed out. most likely from deteriorated rubber fuel lines...
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Hi Mike,
You might want to take the petcock apart as water in the tank will settle against the petcock and "eat" into the wheel that you rotate to shutoff the gas or turn on the reserve. When I helped John here in Atlanta, his had this problem. We restored the surface by putting some JB weld into the corrosion holes.
Good luck....
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Very nice example, Mike! I'm sure you are proud! Welcome :)
I look forward to going through your photo galleries carefully, as well.
You can find my pBase account by clicking on the WWW at the bottom of my posts.
From the sound of things, you are not new to this resurrecting stuff!
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As I found them at BMBIKES before I found you lot here, and although I am sure there is some crossover between sites, I have been doing a sort of diary with regard to getting my LS going, if any of you want to read it....
http://www.bmbikes.org.uk/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=3157
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That's a great forum you've got going, Kevin, and it looks like you've got lots of help there too.
Also sounds like you're experiencing lots of the same "joys" I did when going thru my own R65.
Thank God for telescoping magnets, or I'd still have a gas tank full of nuts and bolts!
And that "under and thru the airbox" fuel crossover?? What genius designed that??!!!
Ain't "cheap bikes" fun?? ;)
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Right as I await my e-bay Clymer manual, I will ask the combined inteligence of the borg! sorry that should read board ;)
What is the blue plug with cap on the left, and also what are the others from left to right?
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Look at the crack in this coil, no wonder she won't run right now, my new one should be here this week though with luck.
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I had to replace my coil too, and Justin turned me on to the Dyna "brown" coils, which are very well made and cheaper than stock. Got mine from Motorrad Elektrik, http://www.motoelekt.com/ignition.htm , for $80 with bracket. I also replaced my plugs and wires with NGK stuff from them too, and she fired up instantly.
As far as the blue thing, let me go check my own bike and manual, and I'll get back to you.
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I think there is an accessory socket, or two, under the tank wher you can plug in heated grip harness, 4-way flasher accessory, etc.
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I think that plug with the blue is some sort of accessary plug, though it's obviously not convenient to use. There is one lead in that that is hot all the time, even when the ignition is off so be careful with it. I used that as a feed for my fog lights, simply because it was handy and I didn't want to run another wire right off the battery.
Sounds like you're having fun with that thing!
Ed
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Okay, Mr. Clymer wasn't a lot of help, but here we go.
Blue thing: don't know, see above.
Silver relay on left: don't know, my own bike has 2 there.
Black, in middle: turn signal relay (I knew that one!)
Silver on right w/red strip: voltage regulator.
I'm sure someone else will chime in soon to clear up the mysteries.
Rob is particularly good at these things.
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Hi Kev, I just finished reading the entire thread on BmBikes. Sound advice from all.
I agree with Justin, on the blue-capped accessory socket. While my bike is a '79, and the under-tank is arranged differently from the '81-'84s, having installed a factory 4-way hazard light kit on mine, I am pretty sure it was the blue socket I employed in the upgrade.
If you decide you like the bike, once you get it running, I would take airhead's advice and go with the POR 15 flush/rustproof/sealant. I have not used it myself, but I have heard nothing but good things about it.
And for 275 pounds, I'd say you got a pretty good deal, there!
Beware of the fragile plastic bits on the fairing that the screws go into. From what I have read on this forum, they are like walking on eggshells...
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What is the blue plug with cap on the left, and also what are the others from left to right?
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I just wanted to also extend a hearty "Welcome aboard", Kevin! Your bike may be a "work in progress" right now, but just think how good you're going to feel when you finish sorting out the problems and are cruising down the road, with an ear to ear grin on your face!! ;)
Keep us posted on your progress! Lots of folks here who have been thru what you're going thru who can probably help answer any questions you may have! Good luck! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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Thanks guys, I wish my clymer would show up, mind you have you seen the price some of those go for on Amazon books :o
forum has had a senior moment I think! couldn't post one minute, and couldn't logon the next :-?
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Clyner Manual, Damn how big are these things, mine arrived from e-bay land yesterday carried by a knackered postie :o I got the one that covers 70-89 models, so I may not have to ask so many basic beemer questions now! I did say "may not". :)
Dont you just love it as the evenings start to drag out, the chance to do a little when you get in from work. I managed to get in a little early yesterday and so set about the other (l/h) carb, and all went surprisingly well, stripped, cleaned and put back, with new gaskets and mounting rubbers, and looking good to go. I also removed both lower choke cables in readiness for the new ones to arrive, and if by chance my new coil should show before the end of the week, I may even get her fired up at the weekend! watch this space.
Back to today, and a parcel of bits has arrived, but not the much needed coil! I will have things to do this weekend though, so I should make some good progress on the bike, I hope it is all worth it in the end?
I have the parts so far for this weekend, new brake pads and caliper overhaul kits for the Brembo's, replacement choke cables and new cable splitter, I also bought new choke return springs, and stainless carb screws. oil filter and oil change, inner tank fuel tap filter to fit. and new plug HT leads. if the coil is a no show, I will try filling the crack in the old coil with araldite, and see if I can get her going.
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The Clymer manual is good, but I am not sure how much of it covers the R65. I don't have the large version. Once upon a time they put out a small one, about 1/3 the size of yours. Also beware of torque values, as some (no matter what the source) have been known to be wrong. Use common sense. Most of the time these are steel bolts threading into aluminium castings.
I know what a postie is. What is knackered? :-?
Have a good weekend! I'll be rootin' for you!
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I know what a postie is. What is knackered? :-?
Imagine having to push your beemer for two miles on a hot summers day to get some fuel, that is knackered.
Knackered = Worn out.
as in ready for the knackers yard.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=knackered
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O.K., so he wasn't wearing knickers, then... ;)
Thanks Kev!
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It RUNS!
Yes ladies and gentlemen, this mornings fettlin did the trick and she purrs like a new bike.
No leak, rattles, bangs, or pops, sits there ticking over as quiet as a quiet thing.
now for the brakes, and to find out why the tacho doesn't work.
I thank you.
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it is now a few hours later...
Right, still no leaks from the carbs etc, all is looking good. not sure why the tacho wont play, any ideas?
It has been a good morning, as I have done a filter and oil change on Rhonda my CB750K too.
I knew it was all going too swimingly, and I was right, removing old, and fitting new brake pads was no bother, but on bleeding the things through it became aparent that I will have a fight tomorrow.
Right hand side caliper bled ok but the fluid was full of water, but the left side caliper is seized solid, so it will be a full strip down job of both tomorrow, I would do it today, but my knees are shot from kneeling on the pavement.
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Good to see you are making progress. What is frozen, the bleeder screw or the pistons?
If there is a Brit equiv. of a Harbor Freight Tools store? One of the $299 maintenance lifts is a God-send once the knees get old...
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It is the l/h piston that is stuck, so I will strip and rebuild both calipers, a bike lift would be cool, but I don't have a workshop or garden, I do all my bikes out on the street outside my house! :o
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Another day, another play..
first thing today was a full on attack of the brake calipers, and it all went very well, nothing was beyond repair or overly damaged, and only one piston was slightly seized, so with all new seals fitted, and the calipers hung back on the fork legs, it was time to bleed them through. only the left hand side wouldn't bleed through, so I pulled the bleed nipple, nothing, pulled the pipe, nothing, so the pipe is blocked. So time to order some stainless pipes this week.
I did however manage to free the clutch, with some advice from the real classic forum, by running the bike (yes it did start again) in gear and dabbing the rear brake. So I am getting closer to hitting the road every day :)
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Hello Kevin,
Justin is right with "4-way flasher accessory" referring to the blue socket (green on mine) - typical police eq. in Germany. The others (from left to right): Headlight's high beam relay, flasher's relay, voltage regulator and, last not least, electronic ignition main module.
In Your place, I would throw this old unreliable coil-and-contact voltage regulator out and replace it by the WEHRLE electronic one - preferringly the black "police" version - 14,4 Volts switching currency. The regular one (in red) is cutting off at 13,8 V by no understandable reason. Both are sold here for 19,00 €.
Drive safely
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westfalian alien
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I found this one on e-bay, sold from Germany so I may well fit one.....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Power-Regulator-14-5-V-BMW-R65-R80-R90-R100-GS-R-RT_W0QQitemZ230092885561QQihZ013QQcategoryZ76120QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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The others (from left to right): Headlight's high beam relay, flasher's relay, voltage regulator and, last not least, electronic ignition main module.westfalian alien
Hi,
On my wiring diagrams non US models don't have the headlight relay, which should apply to Kevin. So the first relay on left should be the 'start'er' relay.
Just interested.
Chris
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Ok then where am I up to?
The weather here in the UK has not been condusive with fettlin a bike outdoors, and although it is by no means extreme like the weather you guys in the northern US have been getting, it is still no fun working, or should that read trying to work, in the rain.
I am awaiting new stainless brake hoses as I type, they should be here tomorrow all being fair, and in preperation of such I have removed the old ones, and the reason for the non bleeding of the l/h caliper became clear, as the l/h line was blocked with crud.
I have however managed to change all the oils now, and also fitted new crush washers at the same time to all drain and filler plugs. I wonder if anyone makes stainless replacement plugs with built in magnets?
And while waiting for parts I have been giving the bike a good deep clean, and it is looking so much better as you will see as soon as I get her tested and licenced for the road.
As a last bit, I came across this on the web, and thought it may be of interest to some of you...
http://www.euromotoelectrics.com/EDLBMW.html
Kevin.
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I seem to have come to a grinding halt with the 65Ls, due mainly to waiting for parts, I have been informed however that my painted side panels are ready for collection, so they will be fitted this weekend, I will also look into a way of fixing them from coming loose/falling off.
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I use brand new rubber mounting "grommets" and then stretch a tiny bungee cord between the two side covers...
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Bob's BMW actually sells a teenie bungee for this very purpose and I've got one, but found it easier to zip-tie them into place.
Of course, mine are painted black anyway, so this might not be an aesthetic option if you're going back with silver...
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[size=14]Hidden fixing[/size]
I have had a look at the problem, and come up with a plan for some hidden fixings, I am going to glue two cable tie mounts (you can buy these with self adhesive backs that may be strong enough) to the back of the panels, and inline with the frame, so that with the battery, and tool box out, the cable ties can be put around the frame rails, but unseen from outside.
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It was first ride day today, only to the bottom of the road and back, she starts instantly on the button now, Ok then, rear brake non existent so that will need a strip and clean, front brakes will need another bleed through, and clutch needs adjusting.
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After adjusting clutch cable, it runs up and down quite nicely, so just the brakes to sort now.
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You made yourself a nice deal there! I can't wait to hear what you think after you have gotten to put some miles on it.
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Jeez, Kev, I can hardly believe you've gotten your LS into that shape for, what, roughly $900??!! :o
That's like the killer deal of the century!!!
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I am well happy right now, from toad to road for not much money, and a little work, just got the last few small bits to sort out, indicator idiot lights not working, tacho (mine is a cable drive tacho) maybe needs a new cable as the needle tries to jump?
still she is looking loved again now after being neglected for fifteen years, so not to shabby.
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No, no... All R65s had electronic tachs. For that matter, I think all above the /6 have electronic, and maybe even some of the lat /6 bikes...
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And in some parts of the world, the speedometer is referred to as a tachometer...
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And around these parts, thanks to your dandy GPS, Rob, the tachometer is the speedometer!
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Well, that's just silly, why would they want to do that? ;D
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Off topic replies have been moved to [link=http://suraklyn.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1173615609]This Thread[/link]
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I have decided to do the seals in the bevel drive this weekend, is this the big seal you were all talking about....
http://www.bmwandguzzispares.co.uk/bmw/products/product.php?f=i&code=BA_15_20_EA_60&shnew=New&model=R45%2F50%2F65%2F75%2F80%2F90%2F100+%282+valve%29&shnewcode=15&part=Transmission&sub_part=Bevel+box+seals&modelcode=20&partcode=EA&source_code=BA_15_20_EA_60
Bevel box output seal (1955-1984 not GS/ST) | TRA04343
I already have the three small o-rings for the brake actuating rod.
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Kev,
We try to keep technical stuff in the technical section, which is why Justin split off part of this thread the other day.
I copied your above posting into that thread, as well.
peace, man
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[size=18]NEWS FLASH!![/size]
Today my old girl passed her ministry road test, infact she sailed through, no advisories, no recomendations, back out on the road where it belongs after a fifteen year lay-up. you have all shared in this with me as I have got to know my first beemer.
So a big Thank you for all the help and advice offered, have a virtual beer on me.
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Congratulations! It says a lot of your mechanical abilities, which were never in doubt, in my book!
I am anxious to hear how you like it on the road, compared to the bikes you are used to.
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Thanks Rob, it is supposed to be a sunny weekend here, so I hope to be able to get a few miles on her, just to see if I missed anything.
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I am anxious to hear how you like it on the road, compared to the bikes you are used to.
Well I have been out for a short ride, due to a heavy cold, and feeling like crap! so I only managed 25 miles before needing to return home, but I have to say that these motors are damn weird out on the road, but not unpleasant, just weird compared to my usual vertical four, but she seems to get along quite nicely in an unhurried sort of way, and they go better if you remember to turn the fuel on too.
I will give a better view when I feel better myself.
But I did buy her some new mirrors today, not genuine beemer ones, but they look pretty good fitted, and are adjustable which the old ones never were.
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My BMW mirrors are 190mm along the straight part of the stem. If yours are shorter than that, there are longer ones available.
Motobins: 90330/90341 LONG BLACK TWINS 1974-84 (INCLUDES R45/65) EACH £16.88
And yes, do not expect the same level of HP from this bike as the Japanese 4's. Properly set up, it will give them a run for their money in the curvy stuff, though!
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Yes, definitely a different ride. When I get on my Beemer I hum along sitting up and enjoying the day. When I ride my Laverda, I hunker down, yell "Yahoo!" and blast off...
Not too hard to decide which one to ride when I have a specific goal in mind. A little harder when I just want to ride. It all depends on my mood. ::)
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Right I have been out on a longer ride, and this has highlighted a couple of small problems that will have to be sorted, one is noisey tappets, they seem to have loosened up since being used, not too noisey, but enought to make me want them done. Also she has now got a backfire as she comes off the throttle when slowing down, and is a little lumpy/uneven at tickover, so I have booked her in to get the carbs overhauled and balanced, as I feel it is carb related.
Otherwise it is fun to ride and quite responsive, in more ways than one. I will keep you posted.
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Noisy tappets is the general rule of thumb with airheads. At least compared to overhead cams.
There is an airhead saying that makes fun of the Harley crowd: "Loud valves save lives".
Think of it in terms of an airhead VW.
Have you loosened and retorqued your head bolts per the owners' manual? That book shows both the torque values and the tightening sequence.
As you probably know, this needs to be done before adjusting the valves, esp. on a bike with unknown service history.
The valve noise could be emphasized by the rough-running engine, also, I suppose.