The New And Improved Unofficial R65 Forum V2
General Category => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: nhmaf on January 18, 2008, 02:11:04 PM
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Since many folks on this forum can appreciate the lighter, smaller displacement machines, and at least a few are interested in MotoGuzzis as well, I found this tidbit
http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/Black-Side-Down/Moto-Guzzi-V7-Returns.aspx
Could be fun ! It could be the modern Italian equivalent of a more modern R65, too ! I hope that they do bring these to the US market and that they have success with them. Although cruisers are shiny and can be fun on Saturday night, I think we need more of these all-arounders, especially when they have a bit of a classic look..
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Yeah Mike, the new V7 is supposed to be a very sweet machine indeed! I now also own a Guzzi and spend some time on their boards, and word of mouth from those in the know and in Europe is that it should be a good seller for Guzzi, inasmuch as any of their models are "big sellers".
I know some of the moto-mags have dissed this bike for only having a 750 engine, but it wasn't intended to be a hot rod, rather a modernized, fun and reliable update of the original V7 Sport, a true Guzzi classic. It's a beautiful bike too! ;)
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That is a totally cool cycle. .......like the R65 a perfect bike for twisty country roads, lazy summer days...not some 900 pound hog that only wants to go in a straight line. I think I drooled on the key board.
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I saw a pic of the V7 in Cycle Canada mag and I liked it a lot! I thought that it would be a great stablemate for LRB and could be a fine machine for my touring needs. I don't like a lot of fairings!! I like sleek. Looks like I'm getting the F650GS twin for Spring which is a 71 hp 800cc engine like it's 85hp F800GS which has been delayed. Is this V7 coming to our markets anyone know>???
P.S. The reduction to 71 hp. from the 85 hp that the rest of the F800's have is done through "softer" cams and valve timing changes???? The bore and stroke are the same as the big brother bikes. Anyone enlighten me here? I always wonder if these aspects could not be changed later on to increase the 71hp to 85 hp. I guess one can do anything with money eh?? Can ya just screw on a F800 upper part of the engine to a F650gs block??? Fanciful??? Dumb???
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That is a classic looking 'standard' bike, about the only thing I would change, is cast wheel rims and dual front discs.
I just like dual discs, and never really was fond of spoked rims.
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that could be a sweet modern cafe racer, the only thing i don't like is how the seat goes all the way to the back like some of the airheads, i like a bit of metal back there, it leaves more room for the flow of a nice paint scheme.
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that could be a sweet modern cafe racer, the only thing i don't like is how the seat goes all the way to the back like some of the airheads, i like a bit of metal back there, it leaves more room for the flow of a nice paint scheme.
Do you mean more like either of these?
(https://bmwr65.org/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi146.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr261%2Fsteve2371%2Fguzzi01.jpg&hash=5d2b91e996dbe77ab4c49b50e4981eb6442ddb30)
(https://bmwr65.org/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi146.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr261%2Fsteve2371%2Fguzzi02.jpg&hash=c0b3aeab171ecb7214110d158b886d8d8450c2ca)
Guzzi still makes sport bikes, as well as standards, "retrobikes", and tourers.
Both of these pictured are currently for sale on Ebay.
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You bet, it's a sweet looking ride, but it seems to me that MG is just offering the Breva 750 in a different skin. Am I wrong? Both are standards, both have a single disc up front, with the same 750cc engine (I think). But then again, I haven't seen the actual spec sheet on this new V7, so I could be wrong. Could be a different animal altogether! ;)
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You're kinda correct, John, as Guzzi did graft the engine, trans and drivetrain from the 750 Breva into the new V7. That's what got a few folks PO'd, as they were wanting a hotter package overall.
Beyond that, though, the frame, forks and suspension, ergos, specs, etc. are quite different.
"Cousins", maybe? ;)
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Yeah, pretty close cousins, if you ask me.... If you look at the Breva 750
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And compare it to the V7....
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Doesn't the frame, front forks, and rear shocks look the same? Looks like they reshaped the gas tank, gave it a bench seat similar to the Triumph Bonneville, and modified the side panels a bit. Other than that, they look very similar.
But this strategy of offering both a more modern looking bike (with an optional low seat) and a "retro" version of the same bike might just work! ;) (Personally, I'm just glad to see Moto-Guzzi still cranking out bikes!) [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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I'm sure that both of them probably share alot of parts, probably like the R65/R65LS, but I DO like the retro look of that bike more than the more modern-looking Breva.
I bet it would look very nice with a sidecar, too !
:)
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Hmmm, my previous pics have disappeared, and I don't see any way to edit posts any more.
The procedure for posting pics seems to have s=changed too.
Did I miss something? :-?
(https://bmwr65.org/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi146.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr261%2Fsteve2371%2Fonlineposting%2Fguzzi01.jpg&hash=76661e2a8b94af1635a8cd9a0e88683165bf947f)
SCJJ, how do you post pics with a title and that little paperclip thingie?
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the Breva is too much monkey f^##ing a football looking for me. I would sign up for a V7 however!
rich
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Steve, John's was uploaded to this site (hence the paper-clip and filename) while yours is a link pointing to a remote hosting site...
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Yo, Steve!
Is that last pic you posted a Breva? It looks something like a Bilbao (I think that's the way it's spelled) to me, one of the larger Guzzis that was discontinued a few years ago. But as Frank Zappa once said, "I could be totally wrong." ::)
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Nah, that's an '04 V11 Cafe Sport that for sale on Ebay now, here's a link to the ad if you want to see more.
http://tinyurl.com/2cblar
There's a couple similar bikes currently on Ebay.
Re: pics, though, how are you able to upload directly to this site without exceeding the size limit? :-?
Oh, I just answered my own question, you're posting 1 pic per post.
Never mind... :-[
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These new Guzzi's are due out in the UK in March. I like the look a lot.
Much has been said about low power and what the price might be. It is an old engine, lets not kid ourselves and they are putting it out as a 2 valve per head and although fuel injected its still only 48bhp. Not much for the modern motorcyclist, the press would have us believe.
How could Moto Guzzi contrive to only make 48hp from a 750? Ans: Because that is all that this motor ever made in that configuration - and the bike is built to a price - it is after all an aircooled 750 built on the same bottom end as the 350/500cc original (correct me if I am wrong here).
If it handle as well as the old V50 Monza's did then that will be in its favour.
But for those of us who value their driving licenses and prefer low down torque than higher power at higher revs, it makes perfect sense. A light bike with reasonable power and pleasing looks. It will still be able to hold its own in the traffic. And you will have the time to admire the view, as you pass through the countryside. Instead of blurred tunnel vision.
The killer is going to be the price....rumoured to be aprox £5300 in the UK. That puts it about the same as some of the basic Triumph Bonneville models which are much more powerful. It might struggle in the UK for that reason alone. And there are a lot of last year's models being heavily discounted.
Also there is depreciation - people running round on old airheads with 100,000 miles on them, like myself, might not be able to stomach the cost of any new bike (and dealer servicing etc). Tinkering is part of the fun! We are part of the 'market'
There are also many out there that are reluctant to return to the 'middle weight' as it is seen as the soft option. But after running a K100RS for 2 years and 40,000 miles. I appreciated a bike that does not throw a pair of tyres every 3 months or less and that was pushing it.
Still, Enfield and Triumph are doing well in the UK currently. But the Kawasaki w650 did not, although it is supposed to be the better bike. Perhaps you need a name with some pedigree to get away with it....Some thing Guzzi certainly has.
The only colour scheme currently, it would seem, is the white, a la V7. Or at least that is all the press release seems to show. Personally I think they should market another couple of versions to pay homage to some of thier other 750 bikes of the era (early 70s), perhaps a green tank and red frame (V7 sport) and a black tank with red or green stripes like the V750 S3, both with either low 'euro bars' or even clip-ons or the option to have them. Perhaps after they have dipped their toes in the water with this one, we will see other variations.
You never know they could bring another classic model out with the bigger engines, to properly pay homage to the Le Mans Mk1 or the 850 T3. Not that I dislike the V11 - especially the early ones...I very nearly bought one at one point!
You only have to look at how many versions of the Triumph there are to know how successful this kind of model could be.
I will be booking my test ride in the spring and I will turn up on my Cafe Racer so the dealer knows exactly where I am coming from. The Triumph, for some reason, does not 'float my boat'......even the Thruxton.
Steve Hawkins
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I like some of these modernized retro-bikes, provided that the level of modernization hasn't gotten too far.
The Ducati 1000 classic over here is a nice looking, retro-styled bike but I think it has more of Ducati's higher tech bits sprinkled in
by comparison to this MotoG'z. But even then, I don't think that the Ducati 1000 classic is actually like an older model - I don't believe that
the 1000cc engines started coming from the factory until long after the 70s/80s, which is sort of the time period I think that they are trying to emulate.
The MGuzzi actually is styled and has a similar powerplant to the time period it is trying to emulate, but with better brakes andother important refinements.
I look at this V7 model and think of it as an Italian equivalent of what might be nice if BMW decided to make some nice standard, serviceable R65 airheads again...
I have my Kawasaki Concours (GTR1000 across the pond) which fills my needs for high speed practicality like your K100, but it is alot of of fun to toodle along the back country roads in my area on a light, torquey motorbike - 48 BHP is all that is required for 100 mph speeds, and it isn't likely that I'll be doing much over that (and staying out of jail) !
;D
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I don't know why but the Yamaha XS-V1 is the retro bike that gets my hormones going. V-twin 1000cc - oooooooooghhh.....
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/16october07_xsv1sakura.htm
Also a cool Yamaha web site...
http://www.yamaha-motor.co.jp/motorshow2007/sp/index.html#
TTFN,
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For some reason, the very first impression that I had when I saw that picture was "Vincent"
The twin downtube frame lines in that picture are very definitely Yamaha XS-650 twin...
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It reminded me of the Mid 30's BSA V-twins.....something I lust after!
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I am wondering whether our 23+ years old machines are becoming modern again? It sure looks like it judging from the very beautiful V7. Could anyone lend me 30K $ to get one?
greetings from a grey and foggy north - the weatherman says that it will be extraordinarily warm this weekend, up to 45 F.
trolle
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Trolle,
You must live in Norway or Denmark.....30k$
All tax I suppose.....
Whenever I am feeling down and depressed, it never takes me long to find someone who is worse off that me.......sorry ;)
Steve H
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Oh I'm not worse off, just poor :'(
greetings from a north with nice quiet weather
trolle
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In days gone by I did manage to visit Denmark on a couple of occasions, curtosy of the Royal Air Force - winter in Aalborg (I think thats how it is spelt) Not that far north, but far enough, and cold enough to see the Northern Lights one night.
I was a ground crew (avionics engineer) on a Chinook Sqn (large double headed helicopter) and we were deployed there to play games with the Danish armed forces.
I was also 'seeing in' a chinook the same night (standing in a frosty field waving a couple wands about - so the pilot could see where to land). As the Chinook came down, all I could see was the static electricity dancing across the rotor blades as they rotated in front of me. It was that cold and there was so little humidity.
I also spent 3 week near Copenhagen in the summer, catching the train in to Copenhagen and visiting Tivoli Gardens.....and the bars!
Love to visit again one day.
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Hi Steve
You're always welcome, I live just 30 miles north of Aalborg - and yes you spelled it correctly. Luckily it isn't always cold in Denmark, not even in winters. Today I rode to Frederikshavn 20 miles away and back on the Wh8la2, the first ride in three and a half month, it was just great even though the temp. does not excede 43 F.
greetings from a grey but all in all acceptable north
trolle