The New And Improved Unofficial R65 Forum V2
Technical Discussion => BMW Technical Q&A, Primarily R65 => Topic started by: BPT on December 13, 2017, 01:18:34 PM
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A couple of us were discussing this in another thread around the time of the Great Forum Outage of December 3 and it looks like those posts are gone.
I looked here and other places online and have seen that GS handguards will fit our R65's. And there was an old post here on the forum that said as long as you had the rectangle master cylinder, they were a direct fit.
However, when I've gone to Max and some other sites, there are two different versions that come up and they look slightly different. Can anybody tell me which are the ones that will fit the best/easiest?
Here's a picture of one set I've found. I'll see if I can find a decent pic of the other ones that show the difference.
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Here is what Max shows for the same part # as he ones above, for the R65 GS. And there there is another one, different part number in white. And I'm not sure if there is anything different other than the color?
http://www.maxbmwmotorcycles.com/fiche/DiagramsMain.aspx?vid=51621&diagram=32_0775&partnumber=71609062160
And what confused me more was that the same part number search also comes up with this page for the R100GS. The parts look the same but the drawn picture looks very different.
http://www.maxbmwmotorcycles.com/fiche/DiagramsMain.aspx?vid=51682&diagram=32_0777&partnumber=71609062160
Any ideas? I'm just looking for the one that will go on the easiest, either direct fit or with minimal modification.
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I have a set of handguards on my bike that came off an R80GS. They look like the ones you show coming from an R100GS. The only issue I had in mounting them was the cover over the master cylinder. Since I have an 'S' style fairing mounted the master cylinder sits close to the fairing and the handguard piece that covers the master cylinder interfered with the fairing. I trimmed it off and have used them ever since.
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Hey Marcmax, thanks for the pics. Those almost look like the ones at the top (the photo I posted) also, you think?
The ones in that picture are at ECS which happens to be where I buy Volkswagen parts. Good price and free shipping if I get them there. Otherwise I can try from Max. But if you looked at the links, maybe you can see why it's a little confusing if you don't have them in front of you.
Thanks again.
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I think you would be good with either one of them. My only issue was because of the fairing I am using. I had these same handguards on my K75 for a while and the master cylinder portion fit perfectly and that was a square master cylinder as well.
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Do you know if the ECS parts include the mounting hardware as shown in the photo??
Thanks in advance.
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I would assume that if it is shown in the photo, it should be included. But you know how assuming works........
The listing for these has no descriptionnot details at all. Just a few pictures and the part numbers. I might need to call them, if I can remember, I'll ask the specifics about these.
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Just talked to ECS, he told me that if the picture shows it, it's included. They take the pictures from what they get in.
He did tell me that they don't have any details on that sort of stuff. But that they do distribute genuine BMW parts. Unfortunately, there's no way to pull up a general listing for them. But if you have a part number, you might find it on their site. I've found things there accidentally and through Google but has trouble searching their site, so keep that in mind. I think their search function is a bit finicky.
I'm not sure when, but I might order these. I'll be sure to post if I do.
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They are super easy to install. There is a molded in ring that the mirror stem passes through and then a screw and nut to pinch the other connector. Longest part will be removing the mirror and reinstalling it.
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I had a pair mounted on my '79 with a round master cylinder.
I had to butcher the right-hand cover mount, and it was held on with a zip-tie, but it worked.
I'll try and post a picture when I get home.
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And I don't even have the mirror, Marcmax!
Thanks Rob. Maybe it was your old post about these that I pulled up here?
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Thanks Rob. Maybe it was your old post about these that I pulled up here?
Quite possible.
If I can find the thread, and am able to edit those ancient posts, I will add the pictures back where they used to be.
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http://www.bmwr65.org/YaBB2.612/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1291905633/6
I followed a link you have in there but it doesn't go to where it used to.
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I had a pair mounted on my '79 with a round master cylinder.
I had to butcher the right-hand cover mount, and it was held on with a zip-tie, but it worked.
I'll try and post a picture when I get home.
The clutch side fit just like it was made for it.
The brake side was very rough, but then, my bikes were never show queens.
Most of the ugly was covered by the instrument cowling.
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AS in California has the black guards for $39.78 and free postage (ECS wants $44 plus $10 postage). Have written them asking about the mounting hardware. Will let you know what I find out.
Regards to all.
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Sorry, I said free shipping at ECS, but it's free over $49. I was getting some other things so it'll be free for my order.
But when I looked a couple of days ago, they were less than $44. Either the price changed or maybe they have more than one listed?
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Maybe bad news about ECS - just had a live chat there and this guy told me that they only deal with BMW automotive parts and that motorcycle parts orders usually get cancelled. I told him about my conversation with the previous guy and he apologized but said that guy was incorrect.
The guy I talked to first didn't seem vague or anything, and was pretty detailed about how it worked. Now I'm not sure who to believe. The gut today told I was welcome to try, and every once in a whole something gets through. But most of the time it gets cancelled.
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Got a reply from AS and the answer was YES the mounting hardware is included. Sent my order off a short while ago. It is snowing here in Brooklyn as we speak , so am looking forward to receiving the hand guards!
FWIW
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Will let you know what I find out.
Regards to all.
I have been following your hand guard thread and want a pair for my "wind in tour face" LS. I'm interested to know which set they have. There were two types discussed earlier but both carried the same part number? I like the set that covers the MC. (and I'm sure stating that will be the kiss of death for my preference LOL)
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And these are the pics that started me wondering Wilcom. They are obviously very different in the drawn versions. But in most of the photographs, it's hard to see the details.
That's why I was asking here. I couldn't figure out if there were 2 different versions, if one or both was a direct fit, and how to get one or the other if 2 differents actually exist.
Who'd have thought a couple of pieces of plastic would be so complicated??
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The handguards arrived yesterday and I spent around 30 minutes installing them. They are the black ones shown in the first post of this thread and came with the hardware.
Only problems were, the right side guard where the brake reservoir is cannot be screwed in as the fitting for the brake interferes with the holes. My workaround is a zip tie to help secure it.
My other problem was that I had rotated the clutch lever to make the clutch cable lie flatter so there is less chance of it breaking (see the thread about clutch cable from earlier this year). This made the guard lower than it should be. I re turned the clutch lever up so it now covers the hand better.
Will take a ride later ( it is 19 F, -7C outside) and try and get some photos!
Merry Christmas and Happy New year to all!
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Thanks for the update JP. I got busy with work and holiday stuff so I hadn't done anything yet, but was thinking about calling ECS today and seeing what the next person will say. I was going to try to order from them but was going to ask how long it takes before they know if it will go through or be cancelled.
Looking forward to your pics to see how they fit.
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Took my ride, and it was very cold. My first impression was, "Gee these work great". Was doing errands so had to make a number of stops that involved getting on and off the bike and removing my gloves. The longest part of the ride was my first stop, which was the furthest. A ride I take often (to the Grog shop for a bottle of wine). Last time I did this it was 20 F warmer, and my fingers were cold. This time not. However the cumulative effect of removing and re donning my gloves multiple times was cold fingers. But not as cold as they could of been. I did not use my heated liners this trip, but imagine they would also help.
Apologies for the photo as it is not the best. Took it before I used the zip tie.
Regards to all.
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I like'm!! Going to get a set for the LS. I'm a full fairing guy but cannot bring myself to bastardize a stock LS just for winter comfort. These may help a bunch, the first thing that go's are my hands........ :'(
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That's what I was looking for, just a bit of a windbreak. I don't need the full on Hippo Hands type.
Thanks for the pic, JP. So do yours appear to be the same ones that Rob posted above?
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Thanks for the feed back. I believe they are the same as Rob's . AS in California did not have them in stock, but did not take long to arrive (11 days, from ordering, with the Christmas weekend in the way). Like to hear your experience.
Regards to all
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Interested to hear the results jp9094.
I'm wondering: for the purpose of keeping fingers a little warmer in cold weather, will these do the trick? Is there a significant advantage to something like this (https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/oxford-rainseal-handlebar-muffs)? Anyone happen to have experience with both?
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Those are what I was referring to as the Hippo Hands. There are a lot of different types, some better than others, from what I've read. Both in quality of how they're put together and also how easy they are to deal with - clearance of controls, getting hands in and out, etc.
I think it's recommended to use some time of plastic/rigid hand guard along with the warmers because wind can push against them on there own and cause problems with your levers.
I don't have the need so didn't look into them into much detail. But I know Hippo Hands are popular. There is also a guy on ADV that makes them and I think they're pretty popular. I can't remember his name but he sells tool rolls, bags, saddlebag liners and such. Storm Industries.
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I like'm!! Going to get a set for the LS. I'm a full fairing guy but cannot bring myself to bastardize a stock LS just for winter comfort. These may help a bunch, the first thing that go's are my hands........ :'(
Get Hippo Hand type handlebar covers. I love em.
Storm Industries - looks like a good place to shop!
http://www.stormind.net/store.html
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The Storm Industries guy does custom stuff and gets a lot of good feedback, from what I've seen. He makes case/pannier liners to your specs, tool rolls, etc. And he does other things as well like a bag especially for the Kermit Chair.
Seems like a nice guy and people on ADV really seem to like his work.
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These are the last pair I had (still have). I bought them for the CBR250R. They are made for a bike with fairing-mounted mirrors (no holes for stalks) and bar-end weights.
They have small rubber sleeves that slip over the bar-ends, and that pretty much keeps them from moving. But they also have a metal bar that connects the two.
(this particular model is NLA, BTW, FWR...)
https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/mpo/d/cold-weather-handlebar-muffs/6424583746.html
(https://images.craigslist.org/00000_iOl6GqYCPjd_600x450.jpg)
Very nice, made by an Italian company named Tucano Urbano. They don't even market to North America. http://www.tucanourbano.com/int/
They do have a presence on Amazon, though:
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_1?rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Atucano+urbano&keywords=tucano+urbano&ie=UTF8&qid=1514942141
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Who'd have thought a couple of pieces of plastic would be so complicated??
I just got mine in from Tom Cutter and they were the R65GS ones that he said would fit. They fit perfect.....BUT...... my bike had ape hanger bars when I got it. I changed to a set I had that were about 1 1/2 inch rise. They looked low like original and they gave my back a little love. HOWEVER...... The right side guard will not clear the fairing without some heavy butchering{{{{shudder the thought}}}}. Now I'm on the hunt for some stock LS bars..... oh the agony
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I still have not ordered any handguards, I've had other stuff in the way.
Coincidentally, I'd lost the email address of the one guy at ECS Tuning who said he'd be willing to help figure out what BMW motorcycle parts they can actually get, if I'd send him a list.
I just found the scrap of paper with his email info so I was going to contact him on Monday and see what he could find.
The ones that you got - did they resemble the pics that have been posted here already? And how much from Tom?
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The ones that you got - did they resemble the pics that have been posted here already? And how much from Tom?
They were the R65GS guards.(pic below)
I had emailed both styles to Tom Cutter in the morning and rang him up in the PM. He knew which ones I needed looked them up ordered them for me. He could not get them in black but I went with the white and painted them with fabric and vinyl paint from the local parts store.
The cost was $39 plus shipping for me as I am on the other side of the country from Tom. I think they were $53 by the time the postman knocked on my door.
Tom Cutter was the guy at Butler & Smith to receive the new R65 when they came to the States in 1978. His job was to take it apart and see what made it tic and put it back together again. You just can't beat experience like that. He gives back to the community daily on line and off loads his knowledge freely. For that, I will wait a day longer and pay a lil bit more postage just to say thanks. Not to mention its the right stuff when I open the box.
As you can see I don't have the stock LS bars. When I purchased the bike it had Ape Hangers on it and I had these bars on the shelf and it worked. I'm searching for standard LS bars now as I had to rotate these down to make clearance between the guard and the fairing.
The World Renowned
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Tom Cutter
1360 Colony Way
Yardley, PA 19067
(215) 321-7944
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As you can see I don't have the stock LS bars.
But I do now!!!!!
I was able to find a set of "official" R65LS bars from "Stoners Beemer stash" yesterday. He sells used beemer stuff and has all kinds of stuff at decent prices. He saw my post on line and emailed me to come on down ( he lives 7 miles from me)rummage thru his handlebar stash and sure enough he had a set, part number and everything. He parted with the bars and 200 old cycle magazines for $75.
It all fits together nicely and I was able to get the master cylinder in closer and tighten/slim the cockpit. About 1 inch less rise than before..........hopefully it won't be a back killer.
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Congrats on getting worked out, and without much strife.
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Congrats on getting worked out, and without much strife.
Thank you guys for starting the thread on the hand guards. It was a cold weather hack I had never thought of.
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Wilcom,
I also have an r65 LS with the bars you started out with. Just a quick question: did you have to change the cables when you put the original bars on the bike?
Thanks in advance.
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I also have an r65 LS with the bars you started out with
If you mean the original bars I started out with which would be the Ape hanger bars( see pic) Yes and no.......
Everything worked fine except the clutch. It worked but was obviously too long and bowed out on the right side of the bike, but it did "work". The brake cable was ok as I was going from tall bars to low, the other way around and I would have to gotten a longer brake hose. I searched Real OEM for choke and throttle cables for the high bars and low bars but only found one listed.
If you meant the last change( see pic) , I used the same cables as the difference in the two bars is really minimal
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You call those ape hangers
These are Ape hangers
were the higher bars you had "RT" bars
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You call those ape hangers
LOL Yes those are Ape Hangers.
I actually call the bars that were on the bike "good fortune"
The bike languished on Craigslist for some time before I discovered it 1000 miles away from me. I believe the reason it didn't sell were those bars, everyone took a look at those and wondered what "other" atrocities might be lingering elsewhere on the bike. I took a chance and was able to put it in my garage for $1000 less than it would have brought here in the CA Southland plus a nice road trip.
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I finally got around to orderingn the handguards from ECS. There were a couple of delays but they finally showed up today. For those who read the beginning of this thread, I had talked to several people at ECS about motorcycle parts and got different answers about whether they could get them or not.
I was able to get these along with a few carburetor parts. It appears to be hit or miss with these, so I probably wouldn't try if you were in a hurry. And even though the one story I got had to do with "only the things we actually stock in our warehouse are available", my things were ordered from elsewhere first (part of the delay).
Soooo, I was doing it as a test and I'd say it kind of worked, just a little slow and me wondering the whole time when I'd get the email saying things weren't available.
As for the handguards, here's what I got:
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Handguard part numbers and hardware.
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Sorry, here are the handguard part numbers.
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I did not install today but did a dry fit on the brake lever side. For fitment, the only possible issue I saw was where the guard goes over the bigger end of the brake cable. I'm not sure if that part of the cable will interfere with the holes for the screws right there. But it does look like it fits fine around the master cylinder and I think that's where some others had problems.
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And since I was originally asking about the different shapes and styles, here's the guards themselves.
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The driver's side view.
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They were about $35. And free shipping over $49. Here are the carb parts I was able to find in stock (floats and float needles showed NLA).