The New And Improved Unofficial R65 Forum V2
Technical Discussion => BMW Technical Q&A, Primarily R65 => Topic started by: BPT on May 24, 2017, 05:46:01 PM
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I bought a pair online and they are supposed to be for the R65 (and look like some that I have seen that fit). I know that I might have to do some bending but I wanted to make sure I was in the right spots and then figure out if it's an appropriate amount of bending required.
So are the proper points behind the upper shock mount, the hole near the passenger peg and the tab/ loop on the rear below the seat?
Starting with it on the shock mount bolt, the one leg lines up with the passenger peg hole, but will need some bending or a spacer (saw somewhere else that no spacer should be needed).
The last part is vaguely in the area of that loop but, again, would require some force to get it lined up. Is there supposed to be a long bolt that goes through the loop and connects both sides? Seems like that's what I heard but wasn't sure if that was it or if there was another piece.
I haven't tried any of these yet, I was merely eyeballing them to see if I had the right ones. I figured I'd make sure here before I started manhandling things to force them to fit.
Later on - has anybody come up with some clever DIY mounts for ammo box panniers?
I've seen some kits available but don't really want to fork out the money right (needing some more important and necessary things at the moment).
Thanks
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The rack mounts on the INSIDE of the top shock mount. I have attached 3 pics of my mounting points... hope that helps.
The pic of the behind the seat point is tough to see, There is a tool box over it or I would have taken the pic at a better angle
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Thanks Wilco, that makes sense. And, yes, I did start from the inside on the shock mount. The way mine are, there's a good bit of space between the passenger peg area attachment. And the rear loop spot doesn't really line up either. Could be that the leg section is just really out of whack. I just wanted to make sure I had the right spots before I started forcing things.
So, on the loop under the toolbox, do you just have one long bolt going through?
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do you just have one long bolt going through?
Yes just a long bolt that was, as I remember, a bear to line up. Nothing else was to the point that I would use the word "bending" though.........
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Bending might not be needed, but how about serious flexing then?
On mine, I'm sure there not straight and o can see that the tabs might be a little off as well. But if you say the back was a bear to get lined up then that sounds like I might have the correct ones.
This was just a dry fit and I only held them in the general area. It could be that once I get them actually mounted on the shock bolt, I might get a tiny bit of a better fit. And now I know it will be normal to fight the rear loop connection.
I'll assume the original shock hardware was OK to use as far as length and such?
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From the photos it seems as if you have an r 65 ls. I have been led to believe that the mounts for an Ls and a plain vanilla r 65 are different though similar. Perhaps this is the origin of your difficulties?
Having recently purchased and mounted a pair of bags I believe this may be the origin of your problemsS
FWIW,
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RealOEM.com said the case holders are the same for the entire R65 run 78-85
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Bring it by and compare to my wife's '84.
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When I bought them, I looked on the Max fiche and also quite a few pics online. These appeared to match but I didn’t know if there were some of similar styles but maybe slightly different measurements.
I literally just held them up to the bike to see if I had the correct ones and if I could tell where the mounting points were.
I need to dig around my spare bolt drawer and then I'll try to put them on "for real". Their close enough that I think I could have the right ones.
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Later on - has anybody come up with some clever DIY mounts for ammo box panniers?
I've seen some kits available but don't really want to fork out the money right (needing some more important and necessary things at the moment).
Thanks
I'll take photos of my Hepco & Becker expedition box's mounts, they are as agricultural as they come and would be easily replicated.
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As promised here are some photos off the pannier mounts on my Hepco & Becker expedition boxes.
They are "industrial" to say the least, I reckon that they could be knocked up out of strap and bar in a couple of hours. I would pass on the mounting clips and simply use industrial (which my bike's PO has already done to the lid latches).
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Thanks, Tony. I wouldn't call that industrial at all, that looks pretty fancy actually, especially with those lid latches. I had a similar idea of using some steel angle pieces but yours has more contact, it appears.
Thanks.
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Amo can type boxes will not work on the standard Krauser racks with out spacing them out 2 inches (50mm) to clear the seat
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Finished view
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Interesting MrClubike. So how did you mount them?
The ones I have are quite a bit smaller so I have some leeway in placement as far as avoiding the seat.
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After the interest yesterday - here are the industrial lid latches fitted by my GSA's previous owner to the expedition boxes.
given what Hepco & Becker charge for significantly less robust latches, I fully approve:-)
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Interesting MrClubike. So how did you mount them?
The ones I have are quite a bit smaller so I have some leeway in placement as far as avoiding the seat.
Here is how I did it
But I would go more towards how the Hepco Beckers are done
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Thanks for the ideas. I like the ingenuity of both but I'm not sure how easy they'll be to replicate. I do like the idea of being able to easily remove them.
This does give me a couple of new ideas.
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Here is another system for inspiration
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Reviving this thread. Because of the sidecar, I was trying to fit the left side mount and it was giving me trouble. I'm guessing the PO must have wrecked and bent them. I fitted the right side and they go on with little trouble. So it looks like I'll have to do some bending to make the other one fit.
Thanks to all who posted tips and pics here, it did help. And I'm not sure if this post was during the time of some technical troubles, but I see replies here that I didn't see the first time around.
Justin - I've probably got the mount thing figured out but maybe I'll make it south someday and we can look at other stuff.
MrClu - on the last photo you posted, how do those connect at the top? If I go the ammo box route, one idea in my head was similar to the hangers at the bottom, but I wasn't sure about the top. Maybe a knob inside the box that threads onto a bolt on the mount? Or a piece with a tab that you can turn and hook the top rail of the mount? Both of those would make them easily removable. I'm on my phone but just can't see clearly if it's there.
Thanks again for the help and tips.
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The rod goes thru tubes mounted at the top of he rack like in the other picture
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This is what I have now
Not your average R65 when it comes to storage capacity
I do a lot of long distance trips and I am glad to be rid of the Krauser bags ;D
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side view
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Rear rack
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Damn, that's a helluva set-up you've got there. You've probably got as much capacity as my sidecar. So what are those boxes from? Or did you fabricate them somehow (sorry if you've already told us this...)?
Now that I look at the pic of the silver box again, I completely understand the attachment now. Sorry, but I'm using my phone, it's not easy to get everything clearly.
And pardon me for being forward but Nice Rack. Did you fabricate the rear one yourself? That'd be be nice if I ever go to a solo seat.
Thanks again for all the pics, they're super helpful.
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Yes I made the rear rack
The Boxes are happy trails Brand
Model 9 inch Teton in Black
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IT *looks* like you have the proper mounts - but maybe they have been bent by a PO? I have the chrome mounts (without rear luggage rack) that appear very similar to yours on my R65LS without any modifications.
It is only the rack mounts with the integrated rear rack or with the bolt on "swivel" rack (these were Reynolds, I believe) that will run afoul of the longer tailpiece of the LS model - and essentially renders it useless or one ends up performing major surgery...
If yours isn't lining up properly, especially on the right side, maybe your rear shock top bolt isn't the in the correct hole at the top of the subframe - I've seen that problem before on some bikes, too!
MrClubike's panniers setup looks like it is perfectly ready for a rounder the world tour!
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It's the left side that won't line up. And that's the only side I'd tried when I originally posted. Recently I decided to try the right side and it fit perfectly. Since it's the two "legs" that don't line up with their holes, that's what gave me the idea that side might have gotten bent. The main rectangular (parallelogram?) Part of the frame looks straight and flat.
I'd like to think I'd have noticed if the shock bolts weren't right but anything is possible. But I was staring down at both of them and seems like I would have seen if they were staggered. I will check it though.
Since I have gotten the right side on, I'm sure I have the correct ones now. Just need to figure out why the left one is out of spec now.
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A really interesting and informative topic.
I plan to build up a similar set of panniers and racks for a K75 as an outback tourer. I'll scratch build everything and the hardest part is to design a suitably strong pannier rack. In the past I have broken many a R65 pannier rack, with various mods to strengthen them as have others down here. Dirt roads, pot holes and overloaded motorbikes don't really go well together.
MrC, just a couple of questions. Is your back rest just a lump of foam or a small container with a pad on the end? I guess it would be removable to open the seat as well?
Also do you have any internal storage for fluids, namely water or fuel?
Cheers, Burt.
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A really interesting and informative topic.
I plan to build up a similar set of panniers and racks for a K75 as an outback tourer. I'll scratch build everything and the hardest part is to design a suitably strong pannier rack. In the past I have broken many a R65 pannier rack, with various mods to strengthen them as have others down here. Dirt roads, pot holes and overloaded motorbikes don't really go well together.
MrC, just a couple of questions. Is your back rest just a lump of foam or a small container with a pad on the end? I guess it would be removable to open the seat as well?
Also do you have any internal storage for fluids, namely water or fuel?
Cheers, Burt.
Hello Bert
The back rest is made of layers of dense foam
I just got a bunch of Kneeling pads and kept gluing them together until I got the right thickness and added a soft foam layer
It is Velcroed to the box for easy removal to get the seat open
I don't have any water or fuel storage
Here in the eastern US we have plenty of gas station (Compared to AUS) around so it is not really needed
But I do have to pay attention to my fuel out in the countryside where fuel is a little less available
Our camping is done in state park and RV parks so we have plenty of water
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Thanks MrC.
One of the inherent problems with the pannier racks (IMHO) is that they are aesthetically pleasing (in either black or chrome) but quite weak structurally. This was strengthened by a (home) welded gusset in the lower front join and a bar across the lower back.
As we tended to carry everything I found that the center of gravity in the panniers was in line with the rear wheel or behind it which would have contributed to the pannier racks flexing. Generally when travelling solo and all this weight towards the rear of the bike any pothole tends to lighten the front end causing a little shake of the handlebars. One way to prevent this was to jack up the rear shocky but when combined with the plastic frame never really gave the R65 a good reputation down here.
I have had the bike start to wallow in big sweepers when cranked over above the speed limit when fully loaded. Usually the result of a small bump and any idea of backing off the throttle was to be avoided. The smart people were usually on a R100RS or R80G/S.
Once I manufactured a rack for a fuel tank over the back seat. It was from a lawn mower and increased my range out to about 500km. Pre-digital photo era but I still have the rack. I also scratch built a pair of engine pot racks but never really found them useful over long distance, apart from drying racks for wet gloves.
Anyway the R65 was my first long distance tourer and coped reasonably well to the abuse that was dished out to it. :)