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Technical Discussion => BMW Technical Q&A, Primarily R65 => Topic started by: Vegasrandall on December 10, 2010, 06:29:21 PM

Title: turn signal
Post by: Vegasrandall on December 10, 2010, 06:29:21 PM
I picked up my 80 r 65 today and i have a strange turn signal problem.
when i'm stopped the signals work normally,when I'm moving and turn on the signal all four turn signals flash.WTF?
Title: Re: turn signal
Post by: Bob_Roller on December 10, 2010, 07:05:04 PM
First thing I would check and this is just a guess at best, is to remove the fuel tank and check the main gound point for the electrical system at the forward coil mount for cracks .

It is a well known problem area on the '79-'80 year bikes and it causes odd electrical problems when it is cracked .
Title: Re: turn signal
Post by: ambrose78 on December 13, 2010, 02:18:19 AM
do you have the hazard flashers fitted?

If so check the diode in a little round black casing and/or the wiring to the switch on the dashboard
Title: Re: turn signal
Post by: Vegasrandall on December 13, 2010, 01:14:04 PM
checked the ground it was ok.I'm stumped as are most of the mechanics I've asked.why would it work ok when stoppedand then go to flashing as I ride off? it's not RPM/voltage related.it doesn't change when I rev the engine.
Title: Re: turn signal
Post by: Barry on December 13, 2010, 01:25:46 PM
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why would it work ok when stopped and then go to flashing as I ride off? it's not RPM/voltage related.it doesn't change when I rev the engine.

You have just given me a clue. Does your early bike like mine have the audible warning that the indicators are on ?  If so I suspect that your problem is somehow related to this device. There is an extra relay in the flasher circuit that turns off the bleeper unless you are on the move. Check out a 78 - 80 wiring diagram they are different to the later bikes. I can post one if you wish.
Title: Re: turn signal
Post by: Vegasrandall on December 13, 2010, 02:05:51 PM
aha,or whatever you say over there. the audible turn signal warning is jumpered to eliminate it and that might be the problem.
Title: Re: turn signal
Post by: Barry on December 13, 2010, 02:45:22 PM
aha !   is just what I thought when I read your clue.

Hope you have found the solution to your problem.
Title: Re: turn signal
Post by: Vegasrandall on December 13, 2010, 07:51:43 PM
I've just noticed that it has something to do with the neutral lighting.when I put it in gear all 4 flash.neutral,works normally.
Title: Re: turn signal
Post by: Rob Valdez 79 R65 on December 14, 2010, 06:31:17 PM
Whenever I wanted to defeat the audible alarm on my '79, I would just unplug it, no "jumping" necessary.  If there is a jumper wire, that might be the problem.

It is possible that the previous owner rigged 4-way flasher lights.  It can be easily done, but if you didn't know about it and something went wrong, it could cause you these problems.
I will find the instructions for those flashers and get back to you.
Title: Re: turn signal
Post by: Vegasrandall on December 15, 2010, 10:57:32 PM
it was the jumper in the turn signal beeper circuit. I just can't figure out why it made all four blink?
Title: Re: turn signal
Post by: Rob Valdez 79 R65 on December 16, 2010, 12:21:59 AM
Quick & easy - that's always good.  Thanks for the feedback!
Title: Re: turn signal
Post by: Bob_Roller on December 16, 2010, 07:23:44 AM
If anyone has a wiring diagram with the turn signal buzzer and canceling circuit, I'd like to have a copy for future reference .

Just never know when you may run across a bike with it installed .
Title: Re: turn signal
Post by: Crossrodes on December 16, 2010, 09:07:00 AM
Bob, I have the diagram.  I can't figure out how to PM it to you but I can email it.  PM me your email address and I'll send it to you.
Title: Re: turn signal
Post by: Vegasrandall on December 16, 2010, 10:02:40 AM
turn signals cancel?
Title: Re: turn signal
Post by: Bob_Roller on December 16, 2010, 11:17:55 AM
I think there was a feature that the turn directionals cancelled after a certain time after the neutral light went out .
Title: Re: turn signal
Post by: Barry on December 16, 2010, 11:27:58 AM
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I think there was a feature that the turn directionals cancelled after a certain time after the neutral light went out .  

On mine the warning buzzer is canceled in neutral or when the clutch lever is pulled which I presume are both functions of the Indicator warning buzzer relay. No delay involved though.

The wiring diagram I have shows the relay but no internal details. Might be possible to figure it out from the terminal designations if I can make them out.
Title: Re: turn signal
Post by: Barry on December 16, 2010, 11:41:02 AM
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Bob, I have the diagram.I can't figure out how to PM it to you but I can email it.PM me your email address and I'll send it to you.

Mike,

Any chance you could e-mail me the diagram?

I do have one already but the quality isn't great and yours may be better.

I'll PM my address.

Thanks

Barry
Title: Re: turn signal
Post by: Rob Valdez 79 R65 on December 16, 2010, 01:08:36 PM
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I think there was a feature that the turn directionals cancelled after a certain time after the neutral light went out .
OEM on a twin-shock airhead?   I don't think so.