The New And Improved Unofficial R65 Forum V2
Technical Discussion => BMW Technical Q&A, Primarily R65 => Topic started by: Graeme on November 08, 2010, 07:31:57 PM
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Hi all. I'm looking for som advise (instructions) on how to fit these Krauser panniers. They came with the bike but the previous owner didn't fit them so he doesn't know.
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Can anyone assist?
Thanks
It's an R65 LS
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Hmm, those frames look different from other Krauser frames that I've seen before... I think someone else will have to help you, but basically, the metal tabs on the rectangular frames goes at the back, and the latch at the rear or the panniers clips onto the tab. I would assume that the long metal bars with the curved/bend ends attach somewhere along the lower part of the rectangular frames to the bolt on the bike frame just ahead of the passenger footpeg. The other bits must attach the rectangular frames at some offset from the subframe rails along the lower edge of the seat in some fashion.. Sorry - this is very generalized..
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You might have to spread that picture around the internet a little bit. I am at a loss. I think it would take someone that has experience with these mounts to be able to help you.
Boxerworks, advrider and BMWMOA (probably have to be a member to post, there).
Also, the German site http://kleineboxer.de/forum/ , which is all in German, but many members speak English, if you can fight your way through the registration process!
Good luck. I recommend you play around with them, keeping your mind open and your imagination engaged.
This just in - not much, but it MAY give you a start. It is possible that these mounts won't even fit a BMW 'R' model...
Scroll down about 1/3rd: http://w6rec.com/duane/bmw/bags/krauser/index.htm
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Thanks very much for that, fellas.
I'll have a look at some bikes with panniers. (I used to use the "throw over" vinyls.)
I should be able to nut something out. I certainly can't see that anything there is meant for this bike though. Seems to be a lot of "bodgie" stuff.
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The baggage systems for the R65 are pretty much R65 specific, won't fit anything else in the BMW lineup .
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OK, I got into it this evening armed only with the imagination suggested by Rob. Most parts don't appear to have any resemblance to anything that would affix the Krausers to the Bike. Anyway, I've got some ideas; there's a metal loop under the pod that looks like it's part of the original machine that will be very handy for the insertion of threaded rod with a rubber grommit to support the upper section of a frame. I still need to support the lower sectiion but reluctant to drill the plastic frames where they weren't designed to be drilled. Some clamping might be needed there.
Anyway, another problem appeared with the bottom hinge on one of the panniers snapped. It looks like the hinge was probably polypropylene which doesn't fatigue with use that's eventually fatigued with use. A metal piano hinge fitted internally should fix that.
I'll see how I go & report. 8-)
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Yes, that metal loop at the extreme end of the subframe is meant for mounting pannier mounts and/or a luggage rack.
My pannier mounts mount there, at the shock mounts, and near the passenger footpegs.
Did you see the pictures on Duane's page for the Universal A-mounts?
Lots of similar parts, there.
http://w6rec.com/duane/bmw/bags/krauser/krauser_universal.jpg
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I found that page, Rob but didn't pay enough attention to spot the A-Mount so thanks for that.
So what I have should somehow, make sense. I'll check again with new eyes tomorrow.
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You have the dreaded "universal" mounting kit that came with aftermarket generic Krausers. If you have good metal fabrication skills they can be adapted but the best bet is to watch flea-bay, ibmwr.org, etc., for an R65 specific set of mounts.
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You have the dreaded "universal" mounting kit that came with aftermarket generic Krausers. If you have good metal fabrication skills they can be adapted but the best bet is to watch flea-bay, ibmwr.org, etc., for an R65 specific set of mounts.
I had an original set which i stupidly sold, those frames similar but the mounts were definitely different and there was a cast rear rack.
The bottom mounts had a snug curve around the Shocks.
Lou
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I think I'll put this on the back burner & enjoy the bike. I've purchased a set of RJays saddle bags that cost $89 that slip under the seat and joined by velcro. I might add a bit of extra security but if I want to go away for a weekend, I'm sure they'll do the trick.
I'm kicking myself though for missing a back rack on e-bay for an LS for about $80 (US & Oz $ are at about parity at present). Anyway, time I hit the road & stopped mucking about. :) Thanks for your help, though. I will sort it out though because it's there to be sorted.
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Caution!!! Thread hijack!!!
can't help you with the mounts, but...ummm.... can I ask you about the neat looking surface that the bag is sitting on? Is it designed to have dirt between the concrete posts (?) and grass growing all over it? I'm kinda liking the idea.....grass driveway with some solid concrete supports....very cool!!!
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Caution!!! Thread hijack!!!
can't help you with the mounts, but...ummm.... can I ask you about the neat looking surface that the bag is sitting on? Is it designed to have dirt between the concrete posts (?) and grass growing all over it? I'm kinda liking the idea.....grass driveway with some solid concrete supports....very cool!!!
Theve used that for years on parking area around here, they now have a similar thing around play areas with rubber (reconstitued tyres) moulded blocks with grass between instead of concrete.
Theres a company just up the road from me who make it.
http://www.esi.info/detail.cfm/Grass-Concrete-Ltd/Grassblock-grass-and-concrete-surfacing/_/R-24080_WF27RE
Lou
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Caution!!! Thread hijack!!!
can't help you with the mounts, but...ummm.... can I ask you about the neat looking surface that the bag is sitting on? Is it designed to have dirt between the concrete posts (?) and grass growing all over it? I'm kinda liking the idea.....grass driveway with some solid concrete supports....very cool!!!
The "open" paving system is also available in the USofA. A local cosmic church has this paving technique in their small parking lot. Permits water to soak into the under soil area rather than creating run-off problems or ponding.
We now return you to the original thread...
Monte
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Caution!!! Thread hijack!!!
can't help you with the mounts, but...ummm.... can I ask you about the neat looking surface that the bag is sitting on? Is it designed to have dirt between the concrete posts (?) and grass growing all over it? I'm kinda liking the idea.....grass driveway with some solid concrete supports....very cool!!!
Yep, they come in squares & quite common here in Oz. You can get grass over it. It's a bugger to put the side stand (or main) on though. :)
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The baggage systems for the R65 are pretty much R65 specific, won't fit anything else in the BMW lineup .
I'm actually wanting to put some mounts and Krausers on my LS, but am soooooooo confused about what's meant to be there.
I'd rather NOT have the rear "luggage rack," but prefer just the 'side mount' and some reasonably-sized cases that would be 'most original' if I'd originally ordered them as an option in 1982.
How will I know when I see something R65 specific?
Am I looking for "Reynolds" mounts, or something else? Is there a certain model #?
What's the difference in the BMW fiche between the "Touring" and the "Set Motocase"?
And are these just the BMW 'badged' versions of the Krauser "Star" and "Starlet" cases?
Would really appreciate it if anybody's got info or photos showing specifics...
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You don't need "Reynolds" mounts unless you have a Reynolds rear rack, which I don't think fit the LS, anyway (and you don't want one).
In eBay, the side mounts should be described as being for a R65.
Besides the difference in overall length (because the length of the subframe is shorter on the R65), the lower forward mount is "horizontal" rather than "vertical", as far as how the bolt goes through the passenger footpeg mount.
The "Touring" bag is the more modern BMW bag with rectangular BMW emblems and reflectors on the lid. The older "Classic" bags are also "Krauser Stars". The Starlet case is smaller. All three of these will mount on the same loops. The Touring bags have the most secure latches, and the newest ones have full-sized key tumblers that can be keyed the same as the ignition key.
Here is a picture of me with my touring bags:
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...also don't forget that there are two types of Krauser panniers, those that have fallen off, and those that are yet to fall off....
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I"m about to pull my krausers off to weld up a broken bracket, so I'll have a better look at mine then.
Mine seem to mount differently, i don't have that black metal loop you have, maybe mines a custom job, wouldn't surprise me.
cheers
John
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...I've purchased a set of RJays saddle bags that cost $89 that slip under the seat and joined by velcro.
These soft bags are by FasTrax. Very easy to fit and remove. Not waterproof but they do have a zippered compartment for a pull-over "rain suit" for each bag.
I like 'em as they can be yanked off when I want to go out and play, then fitted to carry items for the work commute.
Specs mentioned the Velcro straps going over the fender. Well, that looked as saggy as my old grandmother. Over the seat, the stout Velcro straps keep them at their best fit. Adjustable straps at the front secure the bags to a frame member while a similar strap snugs around the rear fender / frame loop. Quick disconnects for the side and rear straps speed the detach chore and remain on the bike.
I've had them long enough to say they wear well and travel nicely. No luggage frames either.
Monte
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