The New And Improved Unofficial R65 Forum V2
Technical Discussion => BMW Technical Q&A, Primarily R65 => Topic started by: Crossrodes on June 03, 2010, 07:11:53 PM
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Does anyone have the part number for the O ring on the oil pump cover on a '79 R65. My guess is that it is probably different from the '81 on up.
There is no part number in the fiche I looked at and the dealer did not have the number. He does have a ring that he believes is correct. I'd just like to verify it before I travel 100 mi for the wrong part.
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I did a parts search for a '79 R80, came up with the part number : 11411335895 .
These parts were pretty common across all displacement bikes made in the same time frame .
Hope it matches what your parts supplier has .
If you have problems finding a part, like this one, where it is illustrated, but no part number is listed for it, go to a larger displacement bike made the same time your bike was, a good bet it will be listed for the larger bike .
Just one of those oddities with the BMW parts catalog .
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Thanks Bob.
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This is an interesting one. Mike, you may try a few other fiche sites like A&S or Bob's and see what you get. I didn't see one on OEM. I get a o-ring part number from the A&S site of 11 41 1 335 896. Better call before making the trip to be sure.
http://www.ascycles.com/Illustrated_catalog/R65(78-85)/catalog_frameset.html
11 41 1 335 895 is the o-ring part number for my 81 R65.
Let us know what's up if you get to the bottom of this.
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Thanks Mike. That's interesting that the ASCycle web site has the O Ring part number and the OEM does not. It's also interesting that the numbers are different between yours and mine. I'll call the dealer today to see the part number of the ring he is holding for me.
I wonder if the reason that I have a leak here is that the wrong O Ring is in there now???
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I talked to the co-worker that ran his own BMW repair shop out of his garage .
He vaguely remembers something about BMW changing the part number for that o-ring, and it wasn't changed in the BMW parts catalog .
He going to check to see if he has any paperwork on it .
I ordered one of these o-rings from Chicago BMW about 3 years ago, but this is one of the receipts that I can't find .
I'll look again when I get home from work this afternoon .
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11 41 1 335 895 is the part # I used for my new, '81 engine.
I bought it from Matt @ Boxerworks when he was still doing new parts (no longer).
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Well this has been an interesting and frustrating exercise. I spoke with the parts guy at the BMW shop and he "thought" that the "895' part number was correct...he didn't know why other than he had one in stock. So I asked him how he could verify it. He told me that he could telex BMW but would not do that for a $3 part. I explained to him the consequences of installing the wrong part but this didn't change his mind. He said when you own an old bike you have to "make do". Needless to say I was quite upset with this guy but I kept my cool. I know the owner of this shop and several of his guys and have never experienced anything like this. All the other people go out of their way to be helpful. I plan on having a conversation with the owner next time I see him.
Anyway I picked up the part he has and it compares with the part that's currently in there. Tonight I took a look at the part numbers of the plate and for an 81 R65 the plate has a different part number (the 895 part apparently fits the 81). So I took Bob's advice and found a 1980 R100. The plate has the same part number as my '79 and it shows the O ring as the 895 part number. So now I'm more confident that it will work
I'll install it tomorrow and put the clutch etc back in.
Thanks for your help everyone.
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The cover may have changed over the years, to accommodate changes in fasteners, but I think it would be a safe assumption the o-ring has not changed, and it is most likely common all across the 247/248 line of engines.
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"make do" ? I would find another parts source after talking with the owner and explaining why he's lost a customer.
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The only difference in oil pump covers that I know of, is that one style has countersunk screws with a straight screwdriver slot, and the other has a hex head bolt .
My BMW shop manual shows the countersunk screws, it covers the '79-'80 model year bikes .
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That's interesting Bob. My plate has countersunk holes but the studs are just hex head bolts (no countersink). The countersink in the plate has a flat surface on which the bolts seat. The other interesting thing is that there are were no lock washers on the bolts when I took them out and none are shown in the parts diagram. I'm thinking that some locktight blue might be appropriate here. What do you think?
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A little bit of blue Loctite, would be a safe thing to do .
Don't want to go back and do all this work over again, just because of a loose fastener .
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Give a shout to Vech at Bench Mark Works LLC http://www.benchmarkworks.com/
Vech and Elaine, plus their very cool staff, will get you exactly what you need. No hassles and no bull. In Mississippi; who knew? 8-)
Monte
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I'm thinking that some locktight blue might be appropriate here.What do you think?
Yes, make sure all the threads are clean and dry. You can also coat the gasket with a very faint film of clean engine oil be sure not to overtorque the screws. I believe it's 7.0 to 7.5 Ft-lb. Here's some pictures of my replacement.
http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/qq8/gruntyman66/81%20R650%20Restoration/Oil%20Pump/
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Mike what kind of cleaner did you use on that Bell Housing? I cleaned mine up but not quite that clean.
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Mike,
A couple cans of Brake Cleaner and some 1" grout brushes and green scotchbrite pads cleaned everything up well and very quickly.
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Damn this is getting frustrating!
Now I have found another part that needs replacing that is not shown on any parts diagram I can find.
If you look at the crank/flywheel (Item 3 on this diagram) http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=0353&mospid=47850&btnr=11_1716&hg=11&fg=25 inside the sleeve of my flywheel (the part that fits over the end of the crank) there is an O ring about 1/2" in from the end. The O ring fits in a groove machined on the inside of the flywheel sleeve. The O ring measues about 63 mm in diameter and 3.2 mm thick according to my caliper. Now I have to go to the BMW dealer again and see if I can get them to find this part.
This bike was built in 03/79 for the German market and this is not the first time I have found differences from the parts diagrams. I'm thinking that maybe the early German market R65's were built to different specs from other R65's. I think I did read somewhere that they have a higher horse power rating...this may have something to do with the differences.
If anyone can give me a part number for this it would really be helpful. I'm off to Edmonton on Tuesday so I'll stop in at the BMW dealer there and see if he can be more helpful than the dealer in Victoria was.
I guess the other option is to find someone that sells O rings. The only thing I'm thinking is that this may be a special spec O ring. It is kind of beige in colour. Any thoughts anyone?
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Here's the BMW part number : 11221331099 .
Item number 6 in the picture .
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=0364&mospid=47851&btnr=11_1716&hg=11&fg=25
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Bob, I saw that O Ring but I'm not sure that it is the correct part.
When I compare that parts diagram to my set up, item number 12 does not exist on my bike. It appears to be incorporated and machined as a part of the flywheel on my bike. It is possible that the O ring shown in the diagram is the same size but unless somone else with the same set up can chime in and let us know I'm guessing my only option will be to order this part and hope that it is the correct size or see if I can buy the same size O ring at some outlet. Then again I would surmize that the outside diameter of the part that the flywheel fits on should be the same on my bike as the one shown in the diagram so at least the diameter of the O ring should be the same.
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Buy the o-ring. Your bike uses it.
In fact, both the heavy flywheels and the clutch carriers used them. Another common part across most of the line, I believe.
(https://bmwr65.org/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbase.com%2Ftomfarr%2Fimage%2F115745930%2Fmedium.jpg&hash=1893ada3f561eb0513156d5313eb27c7bacefbed)
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And that 0-ring is larger (in thickness) than the one for the pump cover:
(https://bmwr65.org/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbase.com%2Ftomfarr%2Fimage%2F115872833%2Fmedium.jpg&hash=032f1e13df9e3624f8bdfd27c347099401609027)
It had me confused for a while!
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Thanks Rob. I will buy it and yes it is thicker then the ring in the pump cover.