The New And Improved Unofficial R65 Forum V2
Technical Discussion => BMW Technical Q&A, Primarily R65 => Topic started by: plc on January 24, 2010, 12:02:45 AM
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Hi All,
I was silly enough to buy one of the R65 hazard kits on ebay recently. When it arrived I find a myriad of wires and connectors yet sadly no instructions.
Does anyone have any instructions I can get a copy of, or do they know where I can access them?
I assume it uses the accessory socket, but does the relay in the kit replace the existing flasher relay?
Thanks in advance,
Paul
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I would send Rob Valdez a PM, I know he has installed the kit, and can probably get the instructions copied and sent to you .
I installed the kit about 6 years ago, but I don't have a scanner .
It was not a straight forward 'plug and play' installation on my '81 R65 .
I connected the wires to the turn direction circuit at the accessory plug .
The relay in the kit, is an additional relay, you still need the original relay that's on the bike to operate the turn directionals in normal mode .
The kit you got, was it from S. Meyer, eBay name 'altateile' Rhinemain, Germany ?
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Yes it was from S. Meyer. I will PM Rob and see what he says.
Thanks,
Paul
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I just got home from work, and took a look at the installation instructions, and they are quite vague .
There's only about three steps to install the entire kit .
It has the appearance, that this kit was a 'plug and play' installation on a '79-80 year bike .
Not so on a later year bike .
The bulk of the instructions, is a wiring diagram .
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I have scanned the directions, and I am waiting on a email address from Paul so I can send him the large scan files.
Yes, the kit is made to install on the '78-'80, but I am sure, with some fiddling, it can be made to fit a 2nd gen.
Provided you have a White Blank Receptical on your electrical panel, you should be able to plug it in.
Bob, does your flasher work just by pushing the button?
On mine, I have to push the button and then select either the left or right TS. I think we have talked about this before. Perhaps that big diode is bad, on mine?
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All I have to do, is push the red button on the instrument panel, and the hazard flasher works .
On the LS, I'm going to install the less costly/less complicated system you posted about a month ago .
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Rob has kindly emailed the instructions to me. If I get it sorted on the LS I will let everyone know how it goes togerther. Just in case S. Meyer sells the 2 remaining.
Best to all,
Paul
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Paul,
New & improved wiring instructions here: http://www.pbase.com/tomfarr/4_way_flashers
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Thanks for that Rob,
Sadly I have discovered that the kit I have is for a 1979-1980 R65 not my LS. Yes folks there is a difference in the kits. Prior to 1980 the R65s (& 45s) had a socket specifically for the hazard kit. But from 1981 on it appears they simply use the accessory socket. I had a good look at the accessory socket on my bike and compared it to the plug on the hazard kit and the wires don't match. to the point that both only use 5 pins out of the six and the one unused is not the same on both.
The problem is the accessory socket is wired differently to the specific hazard socket.
Yes I should have done all this research first I know. Now I have to either rewire something and keep going, buy a new hazard loom for my bike or just give up. The industrial arts teacher in me says go for it. Time will tell.
So a word to anyone out there looking at the NOS hazard kits on eBay, ask for the part number of the kit (mine came with the actual BMW part number sticker) and check it against Real OEM before you buy.
Best to all,
Paul
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The kit can be installed, but if you don't know how to read a wiring diagram, I would get someone that is comfortable with them .
The installation on my '81 R65 took about 8 hours of work, then about 2 weeks of on and off work, to troubleshoot the incorrect installation, as I didn't get the wiring correct the first time .
From what I could find, there was only one OEM kit available from BMW, it worked on one series of bikes, the rest of the bikes, you needed to do a 'custom' installation .
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Hi Bob,
Reading the wiring diagram isn't a problem at all. But I suspected the sorts of times you are talking about to get it properly installed.
Real OEM lists two part numbers for kits in the R65 section:
61311243885 is listed for prior to 08/1980
61319055387 is for after 08/1980
Here is the hazard kit in real oem:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=0358&mospid=47850&btnr=61_0205&hg=61&fg=05
Best wishes,
Paul
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These kits haven't been available from authorized BMW parts outlets (aka authorized dealers), for 10-15 years .
I'm surprised about the kit for later bikes, as I was told by a dealer in Tucson,AZ., that it was a factory only installation for later bikes .
I guess just keep your eye out for an eBay auction .
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Paul do you have a photo to show what you mean by the difference in hazard switches, my R65 is 10/1980 so it's referred to as a 1981 model but sometimes parts are 1980, could be Previous owner at fault, but....
Anyway I'm thinking of chasing a spare switch and would love to know what I'm specifically watching out for.
there are 3 kinds of people in the world,
those that learn by reading,
those that learn by watching others,
the rest all have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.
I don't want to pee on the electric fence :)
John
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G'day John,
If I understand all the part numbers in Real OEM correctly, the Hazard switch itself is the same for all R65s and it appears the same for all bikes pre 1985. After 1985 the switch part number changes. The switch part number is 61311243007 and it is the same number for the R65 and I just checked an R90/6, same switch.
I am sure you have seen this but here is the hazard kit (switch is part 1) in real OEM for a 10/1980 bike:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=0358&mospid=47850&btnr=61_0205&hg=61&fg=05
The switch also seems to be the most expensive part of the system.
What seems different for the R65 range is the wiring loom that the hazard kit uses. For models pre 08/1980 the part number is 61111243680 (listed as wiring hazard warning). After 08/1980 the part number becomes 61121244122. Now I "assume" this is because pre 8/1980 R65s had a separate hazard connector plug, but after 8/1980 they have deleted a specific hazard plug and they just connect to the accessory socket.
As Bob pointed out the old wiring harness can be used but a fair bit rewiring is needed.
Anyhow I hope this helps John.
All the best,
Paul
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What seems different for the R65 range is the wiring loom that the hazard kit uses. For models pre 08/1980 the part number is 61111243680 (listed as wiring hazard warning). After 08/1980 the part number becomes 61121244122. Now I "assume" this is because pre 8/1980 R65s had a separate hazard connector plug, but after 8/1980 they have deleted a specific hazard plug and they just connect to the accessory socket.
Also, because BMW relocated pretty much all of the electrical components during the change-over.
They eliminated the box on the right side of the bike, under the sidecover.
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I take it this is what I need
http://www.motorworks.co.uk/bmw/products/product.php?f=b&bke=bmw&q=ELA43007&x=0&y=0
Do you now have a hazard switch that is excess to requirements? I'd be happy to pay the same price it will cost me from motorworks to help out, unless you want to keep it and as long it will suit my bike.
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That looks like the switch, and it comes with the red rubber cap, which according to Real OEM is a sepearte part.
Sadly John I still only have one switch, so Motorworks may be your best bet.
Best wishes,
Paul
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That is the switch.
Expensive bugger, but it looks like they do throw in the red bonnet!