The New And Improved Unofficial R65 Forum V2

Technical Discussion => BMW Technical Q&A, Primarily R65 => Topic started by: GrimReaper on November 16, 2009, 02:29:10 PM

Title: Low handlerbars
Post by: GrimReaper on November 16, 2009, 02:29:10 PM: I looking for a low handle bars for a 87 R65 mono.Lowest possible :)(drag bars or clubmam or at least low euro)The ones sell by Caferace.com are 7/8 inches and as far as i know BMW OEM are 22mm wich makes slightly difference.Is it so hard to fit the controls to the 7/8 and is it a place i can buy 22mm low ones
Thanks
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: montmil on November 16, 2009, 06:01:17 PM: If my conversion math is correct, 22 mm is 0.866 inch. 7/8's inch is 0.875 inch. The 7/8 inch bars are only 0.009 inch larger than the 22 mm.

Some peeps say the difference in bar diameter can/will crack the BMW perch mounts. Some peeps also believe in global warming. ;)

Borrow a 7/8's bar from someone and see if you can safely secure the BMW bits without a concern.

Monte
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: marcmax on November 16, 2009, 06:27:57 PM: I can tell you from first hand experience that 7/8 and 22mm are not the same. Yes I know its only .2 mm difference but a new throttle perch later I know it will crack the perch casting. Not all 7/8 bars are the same size given the +/- of manufacturing, the thickness of the plating, paint, powder coating, etc. but all of them are larger than the opening in the perch. I spent hours with a grinder and belt sander trying to get the chrome off of a set of drag bars just to remove the .2mm and in the end I didn't like the way they looked. Try and find a set of clip-on bars and then you have the luxury of placing them as high or low on the fork tube as you want. I ended up with a set of Tomasselli 4-way adjustable clip-ons and they are perfect but not cheap.
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: marcmax on November 16, 2009, 06:31:10 PM: Here is a source for the Tomasselli bars.

www.guzzino.com/toadcl.html
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: Bengt_Phorqs on November 16, 2009, 06:32:23 PM: I'll confirm what marcmax said. I tried the 7/8" bars and there is no joy in Mudville. Try Boxers By Bruce. http://www.boxerbruce.com/ He has a shop full of NOS and aftermarket bars. If he doesn't have what you need I'll be surprised.
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: marcmax on November 16, 2009, 06:39:53 PM: Something else you need to consider if going to clubman bars is the distance between the drop points from the center. The first set I tried to mount would not clear the sides of the top triple tree clamp. They could only be mounted with the corners in front of the triple tree with the bars angled down or behind the triple tree with the bars angled slightly up. Neither one was an ideal position for me. They come in about 5-6 widths that I have seen.
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: Rob Valdez 79 R65 on November 16, 2009, 08:14:43 PM: Regarding bar diameter:

I bought a set of replacement 'S' bars from Matt at Boxerworks. They were not OEM, but were advertised as 22mm.

The throttle perch slid on just fine.

The clutch perch would not go on at all.

First I started with course sand paper. I eventually switched to my angle-grinder.

It took a long time, because I didn't want to take off too much metal.
Pain in the butt is what it was. If I hadn't already drilled holes for my heated handgrips, I might have considered exchanging them. (Matt had OEM in stock for about $50 more...).

Some people bore out the inside of the perch.
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: GrimReaper on November 17, 2009, 12:37:04 AM: Thank you guys i can put a clip ons,but i wanna keep the old school look
Cheers
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: Rob Valdez 79 R65 on November 17, 2009, 12:44:44 AM: Here is Steve Hawkins' cafe. It looks like he used clip-ops.

(https://bmwr65.org/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.suraklyn.com%2Fr65_forum_gallery%2Falbums%2Fuserpics%2F10013%2FDSC00005_small.jpg&hash=f023f6682e4c2c388f53f969dc29c51b29a7a456)
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: steve hawkins on November 17, 2009, 02:38:42 AM: These clip-ons are from Tarozzi and can be sourced form here

http://www.discovolantemoto.co.uk/index.php

There is an adjustable set that might be better for you as well.

Enjoy

Steve Hawkins
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: GrimReaper on November 17, 2009, 06:05:44 AM: Beautiful bike Steve.After analyzing the options i realize that adjustable clip ons are the best idea.The Tarozzi looks pretty nice thought
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: GrimReaper on November 17, 2009, 09:45:35 PM: Found this on ebay.Here are the dimentions
a: 565 mm
b: 230 mm
c: 124 mm
d: 22°
e: 37°
f: 45 mm
g: 22 mm x 3 mm
Are they gonna fit the bike
and a pic(http://)
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: Rob Valdez 79 R65 on November 18, 2009, 12:06:49 AM: I guess the critical dimension will be the center-width, to clear the triple-clamp as noted above.
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: GrimReaper on November 18, 2009, 12:36:16 AM: Clip ons are easy .but i have to change the headlight bracket i wanna put clip ons
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: Rob Valdez 79 R65 on November 18, 2009, 03:19:58 AM: I bought a set like these for my Honda cafe project (http://www.pbase.com/tomfarr/cb200):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Aluminum-Headlight-Bracket-Honda-CB-350-450-500-650-750_W0QQitemZ390081363974QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item5ad2a94006

This is similar:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ceriani-aluminum-head-light-ears-fit-35-37-39-41_W0QQitemZ390115995242QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item5ad4b9ae6a

They look similar to the ones Steve has on his red beauty.

Las Vegas, eh? Do you know Sally Steele?
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: steve hawkins on November 18, 2009, 06:04:02 AM: Rob,

That is what I have fitted to my R65.

;)

Steve H
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: GrimReaper on November 18, 2009, 10:35:39 AM: Rob this seriani ears look great,inexpensive and with them it will be piece of cake to do clip ons.What size are fork tubes.
Dont know Sally,Is she rides r65 too?
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: GrimReaper on November 18, 2009, 10:43:19 AM: Quote
Rob,

That is what I have fitted to my R65.

;)

Steve H
Steve if i put low clip ons like you ,will i be able to put a S fairing too
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: marcmax on November 18, 2009, 11:55:16 AM: I have the same headlight ears and adjustable clip-ons. I don't have an 'S' fairing but I have a Piranah fairing which is a similiar shape, slightly longer over the tank and slightly lower over all. I had some issues with clearance of the master cylinder and control cables but was able to adjust the bars to get the clearance I needed. That is where the benefit of adjustable clip-ons comes in handy.
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: Rob Valdez 79 R65 on November 18, 2009, 02:18:14 PM: Quote
Rob this seriani ears look great,inexpensive and with them it will be piece of cake to do clip ons.What size are fork tubes.
Dont know Sally,Is she rides r65 too?

Our fork tubes are 36mm dia.

Sally Steele (http://wp.vegasrocksmag.com/?page_id=637) (very Las Vegas-ish...) ;)

(she is the younger sister of an old H.S. friend...)
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: steve hawkins on November 19, 2009, 07:52:00 AM: S fairing unknown.

I am about to purchase an S fairing copy form Motorworks for the R100.

But it is going to be a Christmas present so I won't know for a while.

Going to paint it orange with my brush again!

Steve H
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: GrimReaper on November 19, 2009, 10:16:13 AM: Steve are these tarozzi bars 22mm?
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: steve hawkins on November 20, 2009, 06:25:04 AM: yep

22mm
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: steve_wicks on November 22, 2009, 10:18:03 PM: I'm in love .... where can I find out more about Steve Hawkins' cafe racer.......??
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: GrimReaper on November 22, 2009, 10:37:01 PM: Quote
I'm in love .... where can I find out more about Steve Hawkins' cafe racer.......??
Just google it."Steve hawkins r65" and it will be the first result
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: Rob Valdez 79 R65 on November 23, 2009, 01:04:52 AM: And he has a gallery in the Photo Gallery (see top of page).

Have you been there, yet?
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: steve hawkins on November 23, 2009, 02:35:21 AM: Thanks Guys

:D
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: steve_wicks on November 23, 2009, 03:46:49 PM: Thanks, I had looked in the gallery, then I did a search and found his email, but so often they are out of date so I also asked on the forun. We are now best friends .... even shared our name!
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: steve hawkins on November 24, 2009, 02:39:59 AM: Good luck with your project Steve.

By the way - I rewired my bike using the existing loom as the basis so that all the colours still matched up with the existing wiring diagrams.

As I do not have indicators, I stripped out all the wiring associated with them as well as the accessory stuff (related). It made up half the wiring loom!

More weight saved!

Cheers

Steve H
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: Rob Valdez 79 R65 on November 24, 2009, 04:11:15 AM: I hope you are not anorexic, Steve! ;)
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: GrimReaper on November 24, 2009, 05:09:57 AM: OK guys here is the link.Do you think the R100S bars will fit our bike?
http://www.sideroadcycles.com/ImportedMotorcycles/ImportHandlebars/BMWbars/MaguraBMW.html
Title: Re: Low handlerbars
Post by: Rob Valdez 79 R65 on November 24, 2009, 08:24:18 PM: Yes.

Remember what I said about 22mm is not always 22mm.

I think the chroming process throws in a variable that is hard to account for.